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2005 tacoma 2nd gen terminal frame rot rust cancer

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by tacomeontherange, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. May 5, 2013 at 11:27 PM
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    george3

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    How U going to get inside the box ?
     
  2. May 6, 2013 at 12:00 AM
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    There are holes scattered about the boxed section, and the transition between open and boxed sections is completely open.

    I used an undercoating gun to apply Fluid Film. It came with long extension tips, so I was able to either snake the tip/hose into a tight area (frame), or place the tip against a hole and fog the confined space (rockers). An aerosol can of FF may not be able to fog as well as an undercoating gun, but it can reach a lot of areas with the tip straw. FF is supposed to creep into more inaccessible areas, too.
     
  3. May 6, 2013 at 12:04 AM
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    I know I am :deadhorse: but every time I walk by my boat with that bare unrusted galvanized steel trailer I cant help but think that is the solution. Toyota should at least make it an option. I would gladly pay and extra grand for a galvanized frame.
     
  4. May 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM
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  5. May 6, 2013 at 12:17 AM
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    Wow ! Didn't expect an answer this fast this time of night - Thanks. Did you try to clean out the box some how B 4 spraying ? I have a cheap Wagner spray gun that will mist - I guess I could just put the tip up to the holes and spray - better then doing nothing. Thanks for the reply.
     
  6. May 6, 2013 at 1:05 AM
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    I'd have to respectfully disagree that galvanizing is the solution. I have an '84 American Skier sitting on the original trailer. While the trailer is still galvanized, it does take work to keep it up. Every 8-10 years, my old man (who owned the boat first) would strip the trailer down and take it in to get re-galvanized. The boat and trailer has been in brackish water its whole life, and was/has been thoroughly rinsed after every dip in/out of the water. While it does offer some benefits, it isn't maintenance free! Along with the 8-10 yr trip to get it all cleaned up and redone, we would also have to sand down areas that would show signs of rusting and spray cold galvanize on those spots throughout the trailers lifespan.

    Edit: To those of you who us FF on the frame, I do have a question. We use FF on the helicopters at work due to its awesome nature at slowing down corrosion. But, we dont take our helos through mud/dirt! My question is, when applying FF to an area that is prone to dirt/mud, wouldn't the FF attract or hold onto that dirt/mud, and in return, that dirt/mud hold onto water/moisture and begin the corrosion process? Im more curious if that has been thought of before, or if it is of any real concern. I've used WD40 for my undercarriage, but those same points that i asked were asked to me, and i had no solid answer for yes or no...
     
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  7. May 6, 2013 at 1:33 AM
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    With only a thousand or so miles on the truck, I didn't have to clean anything before application.

    People have used a Wagner sprayer for FF application, but I don't have any experience with it. You may want to search to see if any settings or tips work better than others. Here's a start.
    I can speak about mud, but I drove though some very fine Utah dust and sand a few weeks after applying FF, and the underside of my truck looked a little like a cinnamon powdered donut. Most of the dust washed off with a garden hose and a few passes through an automatic wash with an undercarriage spray. The FF appeared to stay put after the dust was gone. The FF sites I've read acknowledge that dust will stick, but say not to worry about it.

    Does Fluid Film® attract dirt?
    Because Fluid Film® remains wet, it will get an initial dusting upon application, but because it contains no solvents and will not become sticky, it will not gum up or create a build up of dirt.

    I'll go over it again with FF this spring to touch it up. I bought a gallon can with the undercoating gun, so it's easy to do. I'm curious to see how much rust I can find, and if the undercarriage wash did more harm than good. The difference between the areas covered by skid plates and not may be interesting.
     
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  8. May 6, 2013 at 1:38 AM
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    Thanks for the heads up, wasn't sure how it worked on our trucks. Never heard of the stuff until i got into aviation. We use it religiously at work, especially in areas that are prone to moisture. We usually rise off our flight controls, let dry, then reapply FF. Its supposed to be applied after every post flight inspection, 7 day inspection and 30 day inspection, as well as on a needed basis in between those other inspections... but in doing so, we are using the sh** out of the helos, longer than they were meant to be used.
     
  9. May 6, 2013 at 2:03 AM
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    Thanks. My bad - didn't see that U had a 2012. Thanks 4 the link.
     
  10. May 6, 2013 at 8:37 AM
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    point of clarification: our Taco was not a certified pre-owned vehicle. it was a used vehicle purchased from a toyota dealership.
     
  11. May 6, 2013 at 8:53 AM
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    You should go to Toyota about this. At least make a try. Your truck rusted in the same spot many others did so its no accident.
     
  12. May 6, 2013 at 9:21 AM
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    Sorry, I forgot the fine detail (I edited my earlier post). Still, I'll bet that helped your case.
     
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    Just stumbled onto this thread and thought I'd crosspost what I had posted in another Toyota forum.

    I have a 2005 4X4 6cyl Access Cab that I bought new and has never been driven on the beach or outside of New England-New York. To give you an idea of the condition of the vehicle, I'm still on the original clutch after 233,000 miles.

    During a service visit in April, the dealership (in New Hampshire) flagged my frame as having rust issues.

    - There is no campaign for 2005 Toyota Tacoma frame issues.
    - If a dealership sees a potential frame issue, they will take photos of it and pass them on to the Field Rep.
    - If the Field Rep deems the photos of interest, an appointment will be scheduled for when s/he is next at the dealership. The Field Rep can either then reject the claim or escalate it.
    - Upon escalation, Toyota will either accept or reject the claim under 'goodwill'
    - At some point in this process, your Tacoma will be flagged as having a failed frame. You will be unable to trade it in at *any* Toyota dealer until the frame is replaced.
    - It will take 2-4 months for your frame to arrive at the dealership.
    - It will take the dealer 1-2 weeks to install the frame. Toyota will *not* provide a loaner vehicle during this time.
    - There are multiple reports of people getting their vehicles back with no fluids in the brakes/anti-freeze/etc. reservoirs after the frame replacement.
     
  14. Aug 2, 2013 at 4:00 PM
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    Being as mine is a 2013 and will be living in the DC area, I'm hoping the rust will hold off long enough for Toyota to issue a TSB for it. This really isn't something we should be worried about in 2013. I'm kinda pissed.

    I had an old Ford that, while the body was 40% rust, the frame was surface and that's it. And it lived in Kansas it's whole life an addition to almost never seeing an undercarrage wash.
     
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    A good friend of mine bought a 2000 Tacoma used (circa 2004 I think). His frame was flagged two years ago and Toyota gave him a very generous buyout - nearly as much as he had paid for it.

    Think about it - someone buying a previous generation used Tacoma is getting better treatment than someone who buys the current generation brand new.
     
  16. Aug 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM
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    Thank goodness I live in Texas where it's so hot that rust spontaneously combusts. But seriously...I wonder how widespread this is. Is it something that EVERY Tacoma owner should be wary of, or something that only 1% of the Tacoma ownership will experience? I'm thinking it's somewhere in between. I never knew they didn't treat the frames for rust. Regardless of the geographic location, oxidation is something that most metals are susceptible to, steel and iron especially when it comes to rust.

    I hope I don't experience that. My 2006 Tundra has a little rust in the engine bay on the interior of the front quarter panel. Just a little. I've never really noticed much underneath. Nothing noteworthy anyway. I talked to a guy today at work who owned a 2005 Tacoma...and lived in the NE as well as other places...and he said he's done nothing but changed the oil. Said he only washes it maybe 1x a year and it's been the greatest truck he ever owned because of the minimal upkeep the truck needed.
     
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  17. Aug 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM
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    Any vehicle which is not ready to roll after the frame swap is an indication of a crappy shop, not Toyota policy.

    My shop had a lot of first generation and tundra swaps under its belt, they knew what they were doing and were attentive to any after-swap issues. The tech had me bring it in at 30 days for a bolt tightening.

    No fluids? That's an issue for corporate, the dealership management and the BBB.
     
  18. Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM
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    That sucks that you are going through this, but I guess you guys can be the pioneers and go explore the yet unmapped territory. I believe it will be a while before Toyota puts out any documentation for frame replacements, unless there have been a lot more behind the scenes that we have not heard about. I doubt the first few first gen frame replacements prompted a recall; it was most likely after hundreds of frame replacements that Toyota decided they had a problem.

    2-4 months for a frame of a currently produced model truckseems like way too long. It's not like the truck is out of production and they have to make one special. 1-2 weeks for frame replacement could be on par, I would assume it's very labor intensive to do the work. But to just give you the finger and say no loaner is BS. You need to fight for the loaner car. They are fixing their problem (hopefully they do), they shouldn't inconvenience you more than they already have.

    And if the dealership returns your vehicle with no fluid, they are idiots and need to be reported to Toyota Corporate.

    Agreed. I understand that some dealerships probably have more experience with this process. If they spend a week or more replacing your frame and don't remember to replace the fluids they drained before swapping the frame, maybe they should probably revise their checklist.
     
  19. Aug 6, 2013 at 4:29 AM
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    I think my shop did the swap in about three business days, once they had the frame.

    Extra time was added as they had to replace some front end pieces not planned on as part of the swap.

    There was a wait on getting the replacement frame sourced. At the time, we had independent verification that there was not one shippable frame in the USA (perhaps North America, I don't remember exactly).
     
  20. Aug 6, 2013 at 6:55 AM
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    How in the hell do they get away with this? No loaner? Months waiting to get a frame with the truck flagged so you cant do anything with it until they replace it?
    What happens if they flag the frame for a problem then decide its not bad enough to need replaced? You are then stuck in limbo with a truck you cant trade.
    Then after waiting all this time and dealing with a frame swap you have the possibility of getting your truck back with no fluids.
     
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