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2005 tacoma 2nd gen terminal frame rot rust cancer

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by tacomeontherange, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Aug 6, 2013 at 8:38 AM
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    toyohtadude

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    Loaner cars are at the discretion of individual dealers and not covered under any warranty programs unless you are in the class of BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.... No where does Toyota state a loaner is an entitlement. Your dealer may offer one as a courtesy and typically, that needs to be booked in advance.

    The only way to insure you have a car during extended repairs is to buy rental car coverage through your auto insurance. Be sure to ask that this DOES cover extended repairs and not just accidents or trip breakdowns. Through my insurance, I am covered for up to $45 per day on a rental for a 30 day period. Beyond this, I get a deeply discounted rate out of pocket. But I do pay a couple bucks extra a month for this.

    Please don't think you're entitled to a loaner. That is a dealer-optional perk you need to negotiate with your individual dealer. My dealer is always willing to give me a car for a few days but I'm a long-time repeat customer having bought 9 vehicles from them in 13 years (mine, my wife's and my daughter).

    Check your insurance and add better rental coverage if needed. It's cheap!
     
  2. Aug 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM
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    Nothing against you but i think we ARE entitled to loaners for situations like this, i know we wont get one but i think we should.
    Owner spends tens of thousands on a vehicle, vehicle needs extensive repairs by no fault of the owner. The dealer or toyota corporate should give a loaner along with a nice wad of cash for putting the innocent owner through a clusterfuck.
     
  3. Aug 6, 2013 at 7:15 PM
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    Exactly.

    I saw that picture and put a full can in that area using as many of the holes as I could to get everything covered. I plan on hosing out the area and reapplying before the winter this year.

    As of 8/6/13, the application of Fluid Film from early December 2012 is still fluid to the touch. My frame has been through a winter and looks factory fresh, albeit dusty/dirty. I do not know what the future will hold, and have resigned that I will probably lose the frame to rust (eventually) but that being said, I'm not going down w/o a fight.
     
  4. Aug 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM
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    I bought brand new back in 2005 because of the reputation of the vehicle essentially going forever.

    I'm stuck with a vehicle that I cannot trade or sell (I could probably fool someone on private sale, but that's not ethical), and frankly I don't feel comfortable driving anymore. Every time I hit a rough bump on the road, I wonder if that's going to be the one to fracture the frame or break a rusty weld.

    At some point I'll probably take photos of the frame, as well as my rusty garage floor.
     
  5. Aug 7, 2013 at 10:37 AM
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    I have a 2005 too, mine doesnt have cancer yet just some bad surface rust. When the 2013's go on sale at the dealers at the end of the year i might try to trade it for something of else (thinking of a heep)
     
  6. Aug 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM
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    I just put up a post on my frame rust, its an 06 and its in really bad condition. I did not notice any rust until about 6 months ago, i just checked it out and the rear is really bad(probably salt spray) im the second owner and the truck has stayed here in the NY/NJ area so its not in a salt environment like near the shore. Upon further research its apparant that this has been a common problem with Toyotas for many years yet the company chooses to ignore it. Considering they had a major frame recall for 1995-2004 model years you would think the bone heads in corporate would have woke up!!!! Guess again??? Im really pissed because the rest of the truck looks mint underneath.As a side note, it looks like the rust comes through from underneath the paint which obviously doenst help the situation. I dont have any perferations but its pretty unnerving to say the least......One body shop i contacted didnt want anything to do with it because of the liability so i guess im SOL i was gonna scrape the rust and use converter on it but since theres so much rust im wondering if i should get my situation documented some way???
     
  7. Aug 9, 2013 at 7:59 AM
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    Just as an update, I got the call that the new frame was in yesterday. I dropped off the rust bucket this morning...they expect it to take 2-2.5 weeks.

    The dealership provided me with a smaller, but newer (2013) loaner Tacoma in the meantime. I asked if they just wanted to swap straight out, but they weren't receptive to the idea :)
     
  8. Aug 9, 2013 at 12:13 PM
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    Good to know that some of your trucks are being taken care of. If you can, please get some photos of the old frame once it's removed so we can see the worst of the damage. I'll keep it in mind during the next FF spray session.
     
  9. Aug 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM
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    Can you post some pics? Is this surface rust or is this the actual recall rusting issue?

    If you don't know the difference, the recall is for the separation of the frame parts. The frames were made by pressing two sheets of steel together to make a double-thick frame. The issue within the recall is that the sealant between the two layers was insufficient and the frame rusted from the inside out. It is most evident by looking at the exposed edges of the frame, not the outer surface. You'll see the two actually separating and expanding/bowing. There will eventually be parts that rust through and fall out creating the perforations.

    If that isn't the case and this is just surface rust, that is a different issue but I would also agree that even at the surface, these frames should not rust this much, this quickly. Given other manufacturers in my same area (I also live at the seacoast and have salted roads in the winter), the Toyota frames rot much faster than any Nissan, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, GMC..... etc....

    We can all "work with" surface rust, but if it is between the sheets, we're doomed.... you cannot seal or fix that crap!
     
  10. Aug 9, 2013 at 12:55 PM
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    Rust between laminated frame sections is my main concern. All of the oil-type coatings have some amount of "creep" capability, which should help. I blasted as much FF along those seams as I could. After I return from a fall trip, I'll do my second coat and I'll get a better idea of how well the first held up over a year.
     
  11. Aug 9, 2013 at 1:05 PM
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    Man... I hate to read that you are having to rework a 2012 truck already! That sucks!!

    I'm considering taking my bed off completely and hitting the frame from all angles.
     
  12. Aug 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM
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    Perhaps I wasn't clear. There's nothing wrong with my 2012. I want to keep it that way. :)
     
  13. Aug 9, 2013 at 1:56 PM
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    I picked up a 2009 a few weeks ago and I didn't even look at the frame when I was looking at the truck. Never thought a 5 year old truck would have frame rust issues, but it does... I looked and it's covered in surface rust and has some black paint still, but wtf. My 1999 4runner frame looks 10 times better and that thing has been wheeled to hell and back and been completely submerged under water for a while...

    I guess this one won't be my forever truck either...
     
  14. Aug 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM
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    Do you have any pics of yours?

    This is my '07, also an Alberta truck.
     
  15. Aug 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM
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    The 1999 4Runner appears to be susceptible to the same problems. Toyota's construction and rust inhibition strategy may be at fault, but the general care and environmental exposure are also major factors. When you buy used, you're relying on the past owner(s) quite a bit. I'd take a well maintained truck that lived in a salty environment over a newer one that wasn't cared for. I feel bad for this guy, but he should've caught this before purchase.

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  16. Aug 10, 2013 at 5:56 AM
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    I've been lurking on this forum for awhile and want a white DCSB TDR off road bad. There's 06 on CL 90,000 miles. Now I'm starting to read about 05 & 06s with frame rot. It's unbelievable after all the problems with 1st geners that Toyota can't get the backbone of one of their most profitable products right.

    What percentage of 05+ tacos suffer from the frame rot problem?
     
  17. Aug 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM
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    Hard to say, but when you consider the number of TW members that don't have the issue, it's not a common complaint. No one will go through a round of non-destructive testing on a used truck's frame, but you can still spend some time under it, poking and knocking around. It's not like the undercarriage will be spotless, but the laminated frame will be completely rotten on the inside. If you buy used, applying a rust inhibiting undercoating treatment should help arrest whatever rust is already there.
     
  18. Aug 10, 2013 at 7:30 AM
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    these issues are just becoming evident now in the 05-06 year trucks. it's the early days. "number of TW members who don't have the issue" is not a valid data point as far as I'm concerned, no offense to DoorDing.

    DoorDing said, "If you can, please get some photos of the old frame once it's removed" -- for those who have not seen them my exposed frame photos are at posts #307 and 311 in this thread; I've posted other photos too (original issue and after the swap).

    Like I said, it took about 3 business days for our shop to do the swap. Have they explained why yours is going to take so long?

    You might consider shopping around for these (or whatever the appropriate one for your truck is) and having them replaced now. We didn't expect that and were informed that they needed to be replaced and were not covered under the terms of the swap. If I had more time I could have sourced them for less money than the shop charged but considering the scale of the no-cost job we couldn't complain too much.

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    as someone else recommended, you want to be sure that they are going to replace "All of the mounts to the frame - engine, body, crossmembers, etc."

    If they have the frame on-site and are telling you it could be 2.5 weeks I think they owe you an explanation for the delay / length of time.
     
  19. Aug 10, 2013 at 7:32 AM
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    "laminated frame " is this the problem - solid steel vs laminated ? Back in the day when I had Dodge's the body would rot out but not the frame. BTW the Slant 6 was bullet proof like our 2.7's. I always wondered if that's why they stopped selling the Slant 6 - you didn't have to buy another until the body got so bad it wasn't worth the effort.
     
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  20. Aug 10, 2013 at 7:50 AM
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    My 09 frame is rusted pretty bad...
     
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