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2009 infamous "sticker", you got one?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Bryan139, Mar 13, 2009.

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Got Sticker?

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  1. Aug 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM
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    IrishPilot

    IrishPilot Well-Known Member

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    Ive got one for 5lbs :)
     
  2. Aug 30, 2009 at 8:25 PM
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    dexterdog

    dexterdog My pee parts itch

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    But that is where the TSB may come into play. It says that some stickers are inaccurate and need to be replaced. That is the only explanation I can think of.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM
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    Raven13

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    my 2009 didnt come with one but after 11 months of owning it toyota mailed me the sticker. it says the max payload has decreased 4lbs. wow big deal.
     
  4. Sep 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM
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    whitebread

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    Wow. Did it come with any explanation as to why they were decreasing it?
     
  5. Sep 9, 2009 at 2:29 PM
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    bigburrito

    bigburrito Local Man

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    i feel bad for you suckers with your payload reduced by 5 pounds. i just got my new sticker in the mail yesterday and my payload is only reduced by 4 pounds.

    guess that means i can eat that one last burrito before i hit the road!

    still waiting to see if the 2009s are added to the leaf spring tsb.


    edit: fwiw i have an 09 access cab TRD with tow package
     
  6. Sep 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM
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    Raven13

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    The sticker I received only gave instructions on where to place it on the door jamb and to basically be aware that the load capacity was decreased 4 lbs. One month after purchasing the truck I installed Dakar leafs and OME shocks...
     
  7. Sep 9, 2009 at 7:57 PM
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    Seal610

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    [FONT=&quot]Short version of Letter I wrote to the NHTSA in April 2009. This is a long and technical explaination but if you want the facts please read this post. I got my new sticker yesterday for 4 lbs, reduced from 290 lbs, so my scales were correct.

    [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I purchased a 2009 Tacoma 4x2 Access Cab truck with a yellow sticker that indicated the Load Carrying Capacity was Reduced 290 lbs. This was a large percentage reduction of the actual load carrying capability of ~ 25.9 % per my calculations. The truck only had a few options added from the base model, I knew the total weight added by the options was less small (< 25 lbs), and the options added after the truck left the factory were only door sills and carpet maps which weighed <5 lbs per my scale. The “yellow” modification sticker made no technical or logical sense. I immediately called the Toyota customer relations and talked to the dealer to explain the sticker and modifications made to my truck. Both were not well informed and offered unsound technical explanations which were easily discredited. Since I had read this website I knew this problem had existed a long time. I was thoroughly upset and disgusted with Toyota and my truck purchase. I am a mechanical engineer and was familiar with the eCFR web site that has Federal Regulations. I found the Federal Regulations on the yellow sticker: 49 CFR 571.110 . I then called the individual that wrote the standard at the NHTSA and told him my story and my interpretation of the standard. I sent all the evidence to him and asked him to get Toyota to resolve this issue and correct my sticker. He agreed that Toyota was in error and asked Toyota to correct the matter. Recently he told me, Toyota "[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]intends to inform consumers and send out revised labels[/FONT][FONT=&quot]". Key sections of the standard are shown below:[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]According to 49 CFR 571.110, [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]S4.3.2 Requirements for altered vehicles. Except as provided in S10, a new placard or placard and label shall be affixed, so as to obscure the original placard, to an altered vehicle that has previously been certified in accordance with §567.4 or §567.5, other than by the addition, substitution, or removal of readily attachable components such as mirrors or tire and rim assemblies, or minor finishing operations such as painting, or who alters the vehicle in such a manner that its stated weight ratings are no longer valid, before the first purchase of the vehicle in good faith for purposes other than resale, containing accurate information for the altered vehicle, in accordance with S4.3.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]S10. Weight added to vehicles between final vehicle certification and first retail sale of the vehicle. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]S10.1 If weight exceeding the lesser of 1.5 percent of GVWR or 45.4 kg (100 pounds) is added to a vehicle between final vehicle certification and first retail sale of the vehicle, the vehicle capacity weight values on the placard required by S4.3 or S4.3.5 and the load carrying capacity weight values on the RV load carrying capacity labels (Figures 3 and 4) required by S9.3 must be corrected using one or a combination of the following methods:[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot](a) Permanently affix load carrying capacity modification labels (Figure 7), which display the amount the load carrying capacity is reduced to the nearest kilogram with conversion to the nearest pound, within 25 millimeters of the original, permanent RV load carrying capacity label (Figure 3 or 4) and the original placard (Figure 1). The load carrying capacity modification labels must be legible, visible, permanent, moisture resistant, presented in the English language, have a minimum print size of 2.4 millimeters (3/32 inches) high and be printed in black print on a yellow background, or[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]S10.2 Corrected load carrying capacity weight values or the weight amount the load carrying capacity is reduced, must reflect the total weight added between final vehicle certification and first retail sale and must be accurate within one percent of the actual added weight. No action is required if the weight of the vehicle is reduced between final vehicle certification and first retail sale.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Based on this regulation, the only weight that should be considered as weight that was added after final vehicle certification is the option CF for carpet floor mats and door sill protector. This is an accessory option that is a dealer or distributor installed. Options FE, CP, and RL were added in the manufacturing plant(I would estimate these options would weigh less than 25 lbs) The dealer states that they DID NOT install the yellow sticker, so the CF option was added after the point of manufacture by Toyota. As stated earlier, the weight of the mats is ~ 5 lbs. According to this regulation, if the weight added is less than the 73.5 lbs (minimum of 1.5% of 4900 GVWR or 73.5 lbs and 100 lbs), then no modification sticker is required. Toyota is clearly adding this sticker to many Tacoma’s incorrectly and with inaccurate weight data in violation of paragraphs S10.2 and S10.1.[/FONT]
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    [/FONT]
     
  8. Sep 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM
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    Jester243

    Jester243 all I wanted was a god dang picture of a hotdog...

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    some of this, a little of that
    Can I get the short short version of that letter? :p
     
  9. Sep 16, 2009 at 7:03 AM
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    Caddmannq

    Caddmannq MotoNerd

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    Well. I got the 4lb. reduction sticker as well. I tossed it in a drawer.
     
  10. Sep 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM
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    NetMonkey

    NetMonkey Well-Known Member

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    the 2010's have this sticker in the door jam. mine says that the payload was reduced by 4 pounds.
     
  11. Sep 17, 2009 at 9:04 AM
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    trialsmm

    trialsmm Well-Known Member

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    What a waste of money!
     
  12. Sep 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM
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    BravesFan

    BravesFan The MOST Badass Offroad Truck

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    So ur saying if i put 1300 hundred punds in my bed i woud be good? (i have a 09 access cab base also)
     
  13. Sep 18, 2009 at 9:05 PM
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    rosebud

    rosebud Love that transmission!

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    Stock suspension, stock wheels, stock bumper, stock, stock, stock, dammit!
    I need to look, but I think I have it in the door jam AND in the bed! There are yellow stickers in both places.
     
  14. Sep 21, 2009 at 8:58 PM
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    Climber

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    Got my sticker yesterday. After having been told on the phone that mine had a 100 lbs deduction because of the trailer hitch and related, it came with a Zero sticker, which I have affixed, covering up the original, bogus, 290 lbs. sticker. A ridiculous mess for Toyota, but now resolved as far as I'm concerned This was all about regulatory compliance (which they botched), and not about the springs.

    By the way, I just spent a four hour trip in a buddy's 2006 double cab, other than the year exactly like my '09, and the rear springs in mine are definitely better. I wasn't driving, but could tell that it was softer sprung in the rear, and bottomed more easily than mine. I think they beefed them up a bit with the "A" part numbers.
     
  15. Sep 22, 2009 at 4:35 AM
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    jandrews

    jandrews Hootin' and Hollerin'

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    While probably true, they're still way softer than the 4-pack. I have an 09 that came with the "improved" 3-pack, and had it TSB'd. The 4-pack is noticeably stiffer, has less body roll, and handles loads better.

    While I believe Toyota has probably attempted to remedy the problem through part design of the 3-leaf, I just don't think it's sufficient.
     
  16. Sep 22, 2009 at 7:48 AM
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    Micke.223

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    I just got my SSC 90F - Updated Load Carrying Capacity Modification (Addendum) Label yesterday. It says:

    "Your vehicle's current Addendum Label is not correct in that it overstates the weight of Toyota Genuine Accessories added to the vehicle before the original sale."

    "Enclosed you will find an Addendum Label for your specific vehicle (VIN listed above). Please not that, if on your vehicle, the weight of Toyota Genuine accessories was already factored into the occupant and cargo carrying capacity before the accessories were installed, the corrected Addendum Label will reflect that the load carrying was reduced by "0 kg or 0 lbs".

    My new lable states that the:

    "Modifications to this vehicle have reduced the original load carrying capaicity by: Weight (LBS) 4 ; Weight (KGS) 2
     
  17. Sep 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM
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    Steve_P

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    The funny thing is I never noticed this sticker on the door until after I had my ARE shell installed. I had already had the truck for a year at this point, but I don't drive it that often. I finally noticed the sticker and it said something like the capacity was reduced by 290 lbs so I figured that this was put on when they installed the shell to account for its weight. And then I got a ~5 lb notice sticker in the mail and saw this thread (DOH!)
     
  18. Sep 25, 2009 at 4:40 PM
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    PeteK

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    Got my sticker today. Went from 290lbs to 5lbs. Bonus! Time to go play a keno.
     
  19. Sep 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM
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    EricT

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    Hilarious! My sticker on the door, hand written, when I took ownership - 5 lbs load reduction. NEW STICKER from toyota - FOUR POUNDS!

    I just gained a pound. My truck is THAT GOOD people!

    I'm gonna start it on a weight lifting regimen, maybe by next year it'll be able to bench 400lbs, you watch.
     
  20. Sep 28, 2009 at 8:52 AM
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    whitedawg09

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    2009 - 4x2 - Access Cab - SR5 - built 6/08 in CA = has yellow sticker reduced 3.0...what the?? Can I try to get the 4 leafs???
     

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