2010 NCAA Football

mws4ua · Jun 10, 2010

Correction... Only in the eyes of auburn fans did they share the NC. USC was the only champion that year. (Won the BCS game... first in the Coaches' and AP polls.)

dwalden2 · Jun 10, 2010

You're right. My bad, I was thinking of the LSU/USC shared title.

mws4ua · Jun 10, 2010

Yeah, that was the year before. I remember being torn between hoping for another split title (possibly bringing the BCS to an end) and hoping that AU got shut out. I'm glad it turned out the way it did. AU fans are annoying enough as it is.

HondaGM · Jun 10, 2010

should go to oklahoma

mws4ua · Jun 10, 2010

While auburn ended the season undefeated and ahead of OU in both polls, I agree with you. They were ahead of AU before the BCS game and they lost to a team that cheated.

If they re-name a NC (which, from what I hear on the radio is unlikely), I think OU should get it.

schus21 · Jun 10, 2010

I don't think that anything will really come of this, but it should be a split title between the two if they award it to anyone. Probably should just leave the whole thing as it is.

JimBeam · Jun 10, 2010

blake1012 said: ↑

So there is a rumor that ga tech, Clemson, va tech and fsu are joining the sec????
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i guess i should pay more attention...this is the first ive heard of it

dwalden2 said: ↑

Ah come on now, tigerfan has to count for somethin, right?

I mean, he is the only Clemson fan left, I believe.

Just messin around TF...but I woudln't expect too much from em with Spiller gone this year.
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read my posts above...i dont expect much either...

theres actually quite a few of us...we just dont show our asses like other team's fans

Say what ya want to about our TV market etc...but Clemson is thought to be pretty low in fans watching on TV or travelling but in reality we are far from it...we travel better than most teams (unless we are stuck in the boise bowl)...

I HOPE we dont go to the SEC...not because everyone says we'll lose all the time...but because quite frankly...i dont like the teams or fans in the SEC for the most part and i dont want to play them every year...i wish we didnt have to play carowhina every year but we're already stuck doing that

JimBeam · Jun 10, 2010

in other news

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5272615

LOS ANGELES -- The NCAA threw the book at storied Southern California on Thursday with a two-year bowl ban, four years' probation, loss of scholarships and forfeits of an entire year's games for improper benefits to Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush dating to the Trojans' 2004 national championship.
USC was penalized for a lack of institutional control in the ruling by the NCAA following its four-year investigation. The reported cited numerous improper benefits for Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo, who spent just one year with the Trojans.
NCAA report

The NCAA released a 67-page report detailing its findings in an investigation of the USC athletic program. Read it here. Report

The coaches who presided over the alleged misdeeds -- football's Pete Carroll and basketball's Tim Floyd -- left USC in the past year.
The penalties include the loss of 30 football scholarships over three years and vacating 14 victories in which Bush played from December 2004 through the 2005 season.
USC beat Oklahoma in the BCS title game on Jan. 4, 2005, and won 12 games during Bush's Heisman-winning 2005 season, which ended with a loss to Texas in the 2006 BCS title game.
The BCS is likely to force Southern California to vacate its national championship. BCS executive director Bill Hancock says in a statement Thursday that the presidential oversight committee will meet soon to discuss whether USC will be stripped of its title.
If that happens, there will be no BCS champion for the 2004-05 season. Hancock said no action would be taken by the BCS until the appeal is heard.
Appeal chances not appealing

Minutes after Committee on Infractions chair Paul Dee answered his last question regarding USC, the university released a statement with its intent to appeal the penalties.

The odds of the Trojans winning that appeal, however, aren't good.

A source with extensive knowledge of the infractions and appeals processes told ESPN.com's Dana O'Neil that a switch in the NCAA's standards makes it extremely difficult for an institution or individual to win an appeal.

"Under new standards, you're just not going to see penalties overturned,'' the source said. "It used to be you had to show the penalty was excessive or inappropriate. Now you have to show that the COI abused its discretion. In other words, you have to prove they had an agenda. That's impossible.''

The trouble is spelled out in black and white on the NCAA's website, where it reads that the "Infractions Appeals Committee will reverse or modify a ruling ... only if one of the following standards is proven:

• The ruling was clearly contrary to the evidence.

• The individual or school did not actually break NCAA rules.

• There was a procedural error that caused the COI to find a violation.

• The penalty is excessive AND is an abuse of discretion.

"I am sure that's in part why this took so long,'' the source said. "They wanted to make sure they crossed every 'T' and dotted every 'I' and didn't commit some procedural error. That's almost the only way to get overturned on appeal.''

The rule went into effect in 2008 and since then, none of the four high-profile cases brought up for appeal have been altered.

Alabama tried to argue that its penalty -- vacating 21 football victories -- was excessive and that no other school had been punished similarly in cases involving student-athletes obtaining textbooks not included in their scholarships. 'Bama lost on appeal.

Memphis tried to reverse the decision to vacate its 2007-08 basketball season, claiming the COI didn't have enough evidence to suggest that either the school or Derrick Rose had reason to know that he was ineligible. The appeals committee "found no basis to conclude that the penalty was excessive such that the Committee on Infractions had abused its discretion in imposing the penalty.''

Florida State tried to overturn the punishment meted out to its football team, arguing the COI didn't consider give enough consideration to the university's involvement in the investigation. The penalty was affirmed.

Last year the NCAA affirmed its punishments of Indiana and head coach Kelvin Sampson, denying the school and the coach's appeal to lessen the penalties that crippled the program.

Dana O'Neil covers college basketball for ESPN.com and can be reached at esponeil@live.com.

The NCAA says Bush received lavish gifts from two fledgling sports marketers hoping to sign him. The men paid for everything from hotel stays and a rent-free home where Bush's family apparently lived to a limousine and a new suit when he accepted his Heisman in New York in December 2005.
The NCAA found that Bush, identified as a "former football student-athlete," was ineligible beginning at least by December 2004, a ruling that could open discussion on the revocation of the New Orleans Saints star's Heisman. Members of the Heisman Trust have said they might review Bush's award if he was ruled ineligible by the NCAA.
"The Heisman Trophy Trust will have a comment at the appropriate time," the group said in a statement. "Until that time, it will have no comment."
The rulings are a sharp repudiation of the Trojans' decade of stunning football success under Carroll, who won seven straight Pac-10 titles and two national championships before leaving for the NFL's Seattle Seahawks last January. Floyd resigned last June, shortly after he was accused of giving cash to a middleman who helped steer Mayo to USC.
"I have a great love for the University of Southern California and I very much regret the turn that this matter has taken, not only for USC, but for the fans and players," Bush said in a statement.
"I am disappointed by [Thursday's] decision and disagree with the NCAA's findings. If the University decides to appeal, I will continue to cooperate with the NCAA and USC, as I did during the investigation. In the meantime, I will continue to focus on making a positive impact for the University and for the community where I live."
Carroll says he's "absolutely shocked and disappointed" by the NCAA sanctions imposed on his former Southern California Trojans for improprieties surrounding running back Reggie Bush.
The new coach of the Seattle Seahawks said in a video produced Thursday at team headquarters that "the agenda of the NCAA's infractions committee took them beyond the facts."
USC plans to appeal some of the penalties it believes are excessive.
"There is a systemic problem facing college athletes today: unscrupulous sports agents and sports marketers," Todd Dickey, USC's senior vice president for administration, said in a statement. "The question is how do we identify them and keep them away from our student-athletes?"
First-year coach Lane Kiffin said: "There is some guilt in some penalties, but the punishment is too severe and that's why the appeal process is taking place."
The NCAA took no further action against the men's basketball team, which had already banned itself from postseason play last spring and vacated its wins from Mayo's season.
The women's tennis team also was cited in the report for unauthorized phone calls made by a former player, but the NCAA accepted USC's earlier vacation of its wins between November 2006 and May 2009.
"The general campus environment surrounding the violations troubled the committee," the report said.
The report also condemned the star treatment afforded to Bush and Mayo, saying USC's oversight of its top athletes ran contrary to the fundamental principles of amateur sports.
"Elite athletes in high profile sports with obvious great future earnings potential may see themselves as something apart from other student-athletes and the general student population," the NCAA report said. "Institutions need to assure that their treatment on campus does not feed into such a perception."
USC's saga reached its climax on a tumultuous day in college athletics, when Colorado's defection to the Pac-10 from the Big 12 provided the first steps in what could be a radical nationwide conference realignment threatening to change the nature of amateur sports.
While the bowl ban is the most damaging to Kiffin, who will have to ratchet up his formidable recruiting skills to tempt players with no hope of postseason play before 2012. USC also will lose 30 scholarships over a three-year period, 10 annually from 2011-13.
"We've had contact with a number of our signees today, a number of their families," Kiffin said. "We have had great response from them about their excitement about joining our program and continuing USC's championship level of play.
"I told the team, and I made sure they understood, that this is something happening to them that's adversity. Football, we talk about all the time, is about adversity, as is life. Our older players have played in a lot of bowl games. Our fifth-year seniors, a number of them have won a number of bowl games already, have played in three Rose Bowl championships."
USC quarterback Matt Barkley said: "We're doing a great job as a team of sticking together. Even our morning workout this morning was one of the best we've had. Guys were hyped up. We kind of took it as a challenge. We're excited. It does stink to not be able possibly to play in a bowl game, but at the same time I came here to get a degree from one of the best universities in the country and to win football games. If we play 13 instead of 14, then we're going to try to win all 13 of those."
USC has long been known for its lenient admission policy at football practices, which during Carroll's tenure was open to almost anybody, from movie stars to regular fans. That will stop. The NCAA also prohibited all non-university personnel, except media and a few others, from attending practices and camps -- or even standing on the sidelines during games, a favorite pastime of Will Ferrell and other wealthy USC alumni.
The Trojans barely avoided further punishment that would have removed one of the sport's most popular teams from television. The committee discussed a TV ban, but decided the penalties handed down "adequately respond to the nature of violations and the level of institutional responsibility."
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mws4ua · Jun 10, 2010

LOL at USC and their new ass-hat coach.

Tiger... I don't doubt that Clemson fans are loyal and travel well, but this whole thing is about TV revenue, and the state of SC doesn't have much to offer the SEC in that department, especially since we already have USC. That's all I meant... no offense.

IMO, I wish all the conferences would stay at 12 teams. I'm not looking forward to these damn mega conferences.

dwalden2 · Jun 10, 2010

The only thing good I see coming of this is, and I saw it on PTI either yesterday or the day before, but it's still speculation, once there are 4 mega conferences, the universities would end up doing away with the NCAA bowl games, and would be able to have their own form of a playoff system. Now, I'm not exactly sure how that would go down, but that's just what I've heard.

Bullzi511Tacoma06 · Jun 10, 2010

I'm hoping the SEC stays just as it is. We have a good system going and 16 teams would be way too many. It would take 16 years to get a home and home with all the other teams in. That's just ridiculous.

I'm glad that USC finally got what was coming to them. Idk if the national title will be reviewed or not... Auburn got royally screwed that year. But at least they didn't go around (before all this recent news) proclaiming themselves co-natl champs like USC did when LSU won it. You can't be the national champion if you don't play in the title game. So I'd also say that it should go to Oklahoma. Besides, they can't beat an SEC team for the title anyway, we should just award them this one to make them feel better about their conference falling apart around them. IMO, Big XII is done. Texas, Tx Tech, and OU to Pac 10. Nebraska is as well as gone.

747 · Jun 10, 2010

Why would Texas want to go to the Pac 10? Texas should stay in the 12 and, thereby, create a power conference w/some new additions.

mws4ua · Jun 11, 2010

dwalden2 said: ↑

The only thing good I see coming of this is, and I saw it on PTI either yesterday or the day before, but it's still speculation, once there are 4 mega conferences, the universities would end up doing away with the NCAA bowl games, and would be able to have their own form of a playoff system. Now, I'm not exactly sure how that would go down, but that's just what I've heard.
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I've heard that, too. People are saying that the formation of 4 mega conferences could spell the end of the NCAA. The most obvious playoff system that could result is the winner of each conference is seeded and a 4-team mini playoff determines a champion.

If that happens, though, how in the hell could you recruit anybody to play at a team that's not part of the 4 mega-conferences?

Bullzi511Tacoma06 said: ↑

I'm hoping the SEC stays just as it is. We have a good system going and 16 teams would be way too many. It would take 16 years to get a home and home with all the other teams in. That's just ridiculous.
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I absolutely agree with you. It's easy to work a 12-team conference... a 16-team conference is simply too big. Stupid-ass PAC-10. I hope they go to 16, nobody else does, and they end up falling apart for their stupidity. (I can't even convince myself that is a realistic possibility.)

Bullzi511Tacoma06 said: ↑

I'm glad that USC finally got what was coming to them. Idk if the national title will be reviewed or not... Auburn got royally screwed that year. But at least they didn't go around (before all this recent news) proclaiming themselves co-natl champs like USC did when LSU won it. You can't be the national champion if you don't play in the title game. So I'd also say that it should go to Oklahoma.
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I agree that it should go to OU. To be fair to USC, though, they were voted the champs by the AP that year. They have a trophy from a legit source for that season that says National Champions on it.

And don't be so quick to say that auburn didn't go around calling themselves national champs... They made these beauties for themselves:

drifter379 · Jun 11, 2010

mws4ua[OP] said: ↑

Yeah... I shouldn't say NO tv market... but there's not much of a TV market in SC anyway, and the SEC already has South Carolina.

In other news... w/ the NCAA penalties coming down on USC, there are a bunch of auburn fans bitching about how they were the "only, truly undefeated team from that season" and they want the NC for 2004. To be fair... they did finish #2 in both the AP and Coaches polls.

I'd put money on AU claiming the NC, whether or not anything official changes.
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I called my buddy down in Auburn yesterday and told him they need to claim it before bama fan sees an empty spot on the list and puts their name in.

drifter379 · Jun 11, 2010

Damn Im gonna miss this kid.

mws4ua · Jun 11, 2010

drifter379 said: ↑

I called my buddy down in Auburn yesterday and told him they need to claim it before bama fan sees an empty spot on the list and puts their name in.
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I was wondering when you'd show up! As I said before, they claimed it back in '05 anyway.

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Damn Im gonna miss this kid.

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No sense in living in the past. You've got a bright future...

SACTOWN · Jun 11, 2010

My poor team!!!!! 

SACTOWN · Jun 11, 2010

No nc for 04?!?!? Shouldn't it go tooo the #2 team?!?! Maybe I missed something!?!?

mws4ua · Jun 11, 2010

Two schools of thought... You dirty rotten cheaters beat OU, who was #2 before the BCS game. They got beat by the cheaters, they get the trophy.

AU ended w/ a perfect season and #2 in the final polls. Knock the #1 guy off and they're the new top team.

I like the first way, b/c it means that AU doesn't get its second NC.

SACTOWN · Jun 11, 2010

Haahaahaaahaaa!!! I have a feeling I am not going to live that down, EVER!!!!!

Suprized you didn't find a way to make the Tide 2004 NC

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