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  1. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:24 PM
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    jberry813

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    You're correct, there's no difference between a wheel with more backspacing and a spacer. Except, I can get a wheel with only 1/4" less backspacing and put the tire exactly where I need it. Not so true with spacers...see my above posts on wheel spacers sizes.
    Not to mention, the farther out you go, the more clearancing you gotta do on pinchweld/fenderwells.
     
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  2. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:26 PM
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    again.. not trying to argue.. just constructive discussion. :D
     
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  3. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:29 PM
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    ok i gotcha.

    my 2 sets of wheels are a set of 17" trd sport wheels and a set of 16" first gen alloys so my wheels dont stick out very far even with 1 1/4" spidertrax. I may find a point where I need to remove them to mount a larger tire though I suppose.
     
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  4. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM
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    BradyT88

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    A what?:confused:
     
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  5. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:39 PM
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    good guess at scrub radius!!! :rofl: but not quite..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrub_radius I've seen a good video that explains it well, but I can't seem to find it...
     
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  6. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM
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    ...too much shit to list.
    You're running 255's, which are 0.4" narrower than stock and not much heavier (the other major factor in wheel bearing failure)...which is why you don't have rubbing issues and prolonging wheel bearing issues.

    Scrub radius is defined as the distance between an imaginary line down the steering axis to the center of the wheel contact patch. I could try to describe it but what I think and what I type while visiting my friend Jack doesn't always come out how I expect. Rather...take a look at these pictures and this description:

    http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1006phr_the_ultimate_steering_guide/

    http://www.cdxetextbook.com/steersusp/wheelsTires/alignFund/scrubradius.html

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:53 PM
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    A bumper here, some tires there..... you know, stuff.
    :goingcrazy:

    i'm learning so much stuff with all this technical mumbo jumbo being thrown around :D
     
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  8. Mar 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM
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    lotsoftoys pavement is boring....

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    bunch of crap
    yeah the rubbing part is true too, i cant afford t rub anymore on the firewall anymore than im going to... im gonna try to shape the gussets accordingly
     
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  9. Mar 20, 2013 at 8:00 PM
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    You may be able to reinforce the gusset, if you are worried about losing strength after shaping.
     
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  10. Mar 20, 2013 at 8:17 PM
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    eh..i have had my allpro 1.5'' hub centric spacers for 2.5 years. And rolled the truck with them on..doing great!

    however i do agree the 1/4'' spacers are RETARDED and the front studs are way to short. I run ET lugs up front to hold on my spacers.

    i say get new wheels Jace...or..go crazy and get some big spacers to push them out far...however be read to cut more out of your fender if you do the latter, less BS means more tire into the fenders.
     
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  11. Mar 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM
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    Im just putting this out there.. i ran 1.5" spacers on my 94 sas toy and that thing saw enough air to bend the axle housing after it got beefed to the nuts. Never had an issue with my spacers.. but i agree if you can get away with better rims do it.
     
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    Well yeah...1/4 spacers suck by themselves but I didn't even think he was considering that. :eek: I was talking about bolt-ons.

    You say Jace only needs 1/4" more clearance to clear the spindle gusset and a 1" spacer would not be necessary. However, I think it would be a very good idea for him to install either 1" or 1.25" spacers. Sure, he may have to make a little more room in the fenderwell with a BFH (I know you don't want to, Jace, but suck it up lol :p), but it will greatly help with rubbing on the frame, and he can keep his spindle gussets intact for full strength. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Jace) but I believe his current wheels are 8" wide at a 0 offset (about 4.5" BS). 285s will rub the frame without spacers at these dimensions.

    While we're on the topic, I do hate 1/4" spacers..... but I also think there's a correct way to do it, and it's not as bad you make it out to be. ET lugs and longer wheel studs (like you said) are good options and make for a safe set-up. Wheels studs are very easy to swap out (big hammer, an impact gun, an old lug nut, and some washers...) and not expensive if you can find a Tacoma at a local junk yard. All you'd need are the rear studs (since they're longer) and swap them out with the fronts. Losing hubcentricity is not an issue for Jace since he is running after-market wheels... They aren't hub-centric to begin with. ;) 108 bore vs Toyota 106mm

    Spacers don't suck if installed correctly and with the right hardware..... they're simply not ideal.
     
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  13. Mar 21, 2013 at 6:42 AM
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    I have the perfect solution Ill take your new 285’s and you can just stick with the 265’s :D
     
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    ok well heres some addition to the mix... the 285s are on(no dot ur not getting my new tars:cool:). they do rub the frame slightly. but its enough to worry me. They do clear the gussets remarkably. I have about 1/2 inch on both sides. im thinkin i will be ok... im thinkin aired down, the buldge is on the bottom... top shouldnt buldge too much more... i plan to air down sat and flex it and see how the tires react.

    as for the frame rubbing. if i run spacers, it wears on the bearings and causes me to beat the fenders in more, alot more....
    or i lengthen my steering stops like silas did and sacrifice my steering radius....
    discuss:D
     
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  18. Mar 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM
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    I remember seeing in a thread over on pirate where a guy just taped (yes - duct taped) a penny on each of his steering stops and that was enough to keep him from rubbing his frame for day to day driving. If he wanted the very slight turning advantage back for a trail, he would simply cut the tape off.

    Seeing that it's not a critical part of the system, I see no reason it wouldn't be ok. It's just a little ghetto, haha. If it were to fall off for some reason, you'd know the next time you parked it because you'd rub a little. If you didn't mind it being more permanent, you could use a heavy duty adhesive instead.
     
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  19. Mar 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM
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    New rims with proper backspacing!! Let the fender beatings begin!!!:D
     
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    come onnnnn...you know you want the wide fat look..:D

    2012-04-07_17-19-23_217_a9072b4173255778c1370158e255da13ac2318a0.jpg

    For all the guys i know that are running spacers...none have had wheel bearing issues..

    will they? sure, i bet so..but who wont??

    but yes...you will have to cut more fenders...so? :D haha i also found if you cut a bit and then curl it over itself, it won't cut up the tire.
     
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