2016 Low Speed Torque

It is sad that the feeling of torque twisting your rear wheels is gone in mid-size trucks (except maybe Duramax Colorado/Canyon). I guess if the engine is reliable the "car motor" might not be so bad.

 

I confused. Are you saying Ford is divesting their Diesels? AFAIK Fords newest Diesel is considered an in house design even though they used some company from Australia (can't remember the name) to come up with the basic design and had Cummins consult on the fuel system. I think Ford got sick of crappy Navistars causing a loss in trust of the Blue Oval and decided they could do better themselves with the right people helping them along the way.

In the future I see a lot of consulting and common designs becoming common place in the Diesel world due to the higher cost of development for those engines.

 

BlueT - hangs out in Tacoma forum and supports Nissan while bashing Ford. The fuck is going on here?

 

What does my ownership of a Ford have to do with anything. I have a Ram and Tacoma too lol. It does look like an F250. Ask around, that's the first thing people think of. It's not an insult. Nissan took styling cues from the best selling HD lineup. Why wouldn't they, it just makes sense. The Titan look wasn't very popular. This new, more American, look will likely draw more people in to look at that truck.

Real trucks, right. So your Tundra and Tacoma are the only real trucks out there . The childishness of your statements is as amusing as they always have been. Just because something is DEEZUL doesn't mean anything about your genitals or the way you use them.

If you want to start the whole argument over financial statements again, go right ahead. You're laughed at by most of the people on this forum and definitely the most ignored person around. Do you wonder why it's only a few people and newbies that quote you anymore? It's because everyone blocked you long ago. It must be sad feeling so big inside and yet being so small, even on the internet where you can wave your virtual dick at anyone you want. That all being said I'm turning over a new leaf and I'm not here to ride you around like a donkey. Believe what you will, I just have a different view on a lot of your opinions and at least I'm intelligent enough to know when to quit running my mouth. Maybe eventually you can learn to state your opinions in a way that doesn't come off like gasoline on a fire.

 

Didn't Jeff Lange wrote that its old motor with new top ?
Old motor is not that reliable, thats why no supercharger and no Turbo.
In fact I know two people with blown 2gr.s. (One on Lexus one on Highlander)
I know Duramax will tow better, Have you seen video where guy spins rear wheels with Corvette o the back?.
Not to mention TFL got 28 + MPG on their Manhattan to Beacon NY trip. Thats freaking insane.

 

Oh shit you know 2 people with blown motors!? Fuck dude...2gr must suck so bad.

 

I find the torquey feeling is gone from most trucks. When I floor my wifes F150, even though it's quick off the line, the truck doesn't torque over nearly as much as my 2001 GMC Sierra did. Whether it's due to design, better suspension, electronic throttle control, or a bit of everything I don't know.

That being said, the 2015 F150 blows my old Sierra out of the water in 0-60 time and towing, so the torque is still there. It's just likely being put to better use than torquing the frame.

 

I don't know anybody else with blown Toyota engine. Blown Toyota engine is very rare occurrence, so two blown is like winning lottery and than finding gold nugget.

 

I did notice the 2011 gen 2 I tested felt less torque from a dead stop than my 3.4. Had lots more power reserves at highways speeds though. That is important for me when crossing a 10,000 ft summit with the Wyoming wind in my face.

 

Was the 2nd gen an auto.

One thing I think that makes a huge difference is auto versus manual. As other have mentioned, the combination of electric throttle plus the slush box feels much less torquey than a clutch on a manual transmission mounted to an old throttle cable engine.

 

It was an auto but is that always true? Full size gas v8's feel very torquey off the line for me. And as we know those are always autos now.

 

Because V8?

 

Try an old half ton compared to a new one. Like I said, the old Sierra I had felt very torquey but still towed less and was slower than my wifes new Ford. The technology isolates that torquey feeling IMHO.

 

Sounds like you are looking for excuse to get Turbo Diesel...
Wait for Titan and Colorado to show up at the dealers and test drive both.
You can't buy new 2015 and with used one you are a the mercy of somebody else doing maintenance.

 

Its very hard to compare these engines. Despite the common consensus, the 2GR is one of the better Toyota engines with forged internals and 4 time Wards top 10 motors IIRC. Its a good damn motor.

The 5VZ is designed from the ground up to be a torque monster and its powering a lighter/smaller truck with more aggressive gearing (4.10 vs 3.9)

My best guess for the lethargic 3rd gen is the Atkinson cycle. Toyota's ECU is probably skewed to run in the Atkinson cycle until the Otto is needed. A lot of people say that enabling ECT power really wakes up the motor. I wouldn't be surprised if this forces the engine to run more Otto cycle. That or, like most 3rd gens, the motor hasn't been broken in yet.

1st gen has ECT on all auto V6's and electronic cable on some of the later models IIRC.

 

I love instant torque like the next performance enthusiast ( and nothing compared to my slightly modded SVT Lightning). my current car is a turbo and I've owned turbos previously as well so I am somewhat used to nothing at the bottom and everything up top. Frankly, I don't really have an issue with it as long as the power is there on top when I want it. Of course it would be nice to have a lot more power and good fuel mileage, but if the trade off for better fuel mileage is a soft low end delivery I can deal with it (as long as it has get up and go when I put my foot to the floor).

 

I'm guessing that engine doesn't push a brick through the air though like the 2GR in the Tacoma does.

 

I hope he does...but with better grammar so its understandable.

I find that remark comical...considering you write at a 2nd grade level.

 

Maybe, just maybe, you should do a little research before you open you mouth and insert your foot.

 

I assumed he meant steam turbines, which have little low end torque but insane high end torque. Except turbines weren't used on trains. Turbines are a ship and powerplant thing.