2017 Tacoma Engine Failure 118,000Km

I have a lot of confidence in Toyota products have had them over 40 years with no main issues to write about. I traded my 2010 Venza with 290,000 Km on my 2021 Sport and got good allowance towards it.just saying

 

Lemons apply to new vehicles, not 6 years old...

 

I hate to say it but Toyota is not the company it once was. Just because they produced super solid vehicles 10 plus years ago doesn't mean much today.

 

None of the big 3 ever made super solid or even kind of solid vehicles....what does that say?

 

That’s just an illusion because there are WAY more on the road than years ago plus they’re much more complicated machines and thanks to social media, it’s pretty easy to share issues. With the amount 2grfks on the road today, the catastrophic failure rate is really really low. Way less than 1% but places like this and others give the false impression that they’re failing every hour because none of us would ever want to be in the situation that the OP is in. I feel bad for you OP. Sorry this happened.

 

But the issues the 3rd gen have are not related to complexity. They are basic mechanical issues.

I've said this a million times on here, but no one truly knows the failure rates other than Toyota. Forums posts are not an accurate way to determine the percentage of issues for better or worse. Any answer to this is just an opinion and not a fact.

There is also another LARGE group of Tacoma owners that have zero idea forums like this even exists and will never post here regardless of their luck with Toyota.

I formulate my opinion from what I hear from a Service manager of a high-volume dealer in my area (one of my friends). The tacoma is a solid truck with a few high dollar issues that won't leave anyone stranded.

 

Both ford and Chevy have made some seriously bullet-proof trucks over the years. The new stuff not so much.
2000-2006 silverados were very good trucks. Esp the 2500 version. Dirt cheap to fix and can easily go 300k.

 

Exactly - seem. If they had a catastrophic failure rate even approaching 1% they would be buried in class action law suits and on the verge of bankruptcy. The reality is they’re still among the best bet for a long term vehicle.

 

Not saying the issues mean catastrophic failure... Being a reliable vehicle to me means minimal repair for many miles(excluding wear items).

Example is a $4000 dollar timing cover re-seal before 100k miles. An issue like that takes away from the reliability of the vehicle in my opinion. Same with the leaking coolant pipe, paint issues and dead cyl CEL.

Most brands today can make it to 100k without major issue.

Yes these are still great trucks. Just not what they used to be.

 

I do kinda agree with that and don't have concrete evidence to back myself up but I feel automakers are getting complacent with the basics/ trying to cheapen up the basics and causing issues that only really seemed to be an issue with older cars again in the new models

 

What is unsettling about these engine failures is they are failures that should never happen, but they seem to happen before 100k miles to enough people to have a dedicated tracking thread. That suggests quality control more so than bad design. Toyota QC is supposed to be the best, so it makes one wonder.

 

As a Toyota Tech, I would agree with you for the most part. Not going to say anything good about the Colorado, but you see more than than we do.

Got to say this is equivocally false. The control now is better than it was in the past and they're making more cars than ever before. Unfortunately, as has been mentioned with complex safety systems, a lot of them required by the governments of countries at the cars are sold in, there is a lot of extra junk and vehicles that is prone to failure due to mass production etc.

Agreed, good year and range for drivetrains. Still hate their control arms and aligning one just isn't worth it.

Failure rate of 1GR is higher than 2GR. Just seems bias now because all of the one GRs on the road are well past any early failures. But 2005 and 2006 1gr were very problematic, by Toyota standards.

Suppliers, cheaper materials, skimping on little things everywhere.... Sad state of reality.

270,000+ trucks a year, and a handful of failures in 8 years of production.... I think again, it's just seems like it's magnified due to the internet making it easier for people to share their experiences. And the fact that enthusiasts are definitely going to share when something happens versus the average Tom dick or Harry who isn't on a forum. Well, I agree, the 2016's being the first year production of a new vehicle did have their fair share of issues, including those stupid timing cover seals.

All that being said, as much as I really like the third gen taco, it does have its fair share of design and production issues. It's a much smaller share of design and production issues as compared to its competitors, but still little things like lack of seed adjustability or red turn signals instead of hamburg are things that drive me up the wall. Many owners are okay with stuff like this. I am not. Another example, the new Colorado headlight control is done via touch screen. This is an asshole move. But you know they will sell like hot cakes. So clearly it is not an asshole enough move to keep customers away. So on and so forth you can nitpick everyone to pieces about things like this. But at the end of the day, the numbers don't lie. With the tacos. Looking to push sales past 300,000 a year. I think even if the entirety of Tacoma world brought their collective voices to Toyota, not much would change.

 

Lots of opinion here in your posts. To recap what I said, I am not comparing the 3rd gen to the 2nd gen. I own both, and both have been dead nuts reliable.



What data are you pulling to make the statement that the 1gr has a higher failure rate than the 2gr? Plus the current failure rate of engines in the 3rd gen? You are giving us your opinon.. not facts. My same service manager friend also states he rarely sees any issues with the current 4runners which have a 4.0 in them. He sees them all the time, poorly maintained with over 200k and still going strong.

16 wasn't the only year for timing cover leaks. People on here have reported it for all years. Even some 22s with under 10k.

 

Man, I'd hope Toyota has the 4.0 figured out by now lol. If it didn't, there's no hope for us 3rd gen guys.

 

Never said 2016 was the only year. It's just the most common year for it. Being the first year of a new generation. It's the most common year for most of the problems.

My opinions are the shop data where I work. As far as the one GR in the forerunner, while it is the same basic engine, there are quite a few differences with it and the one in the taco. Namely, the BVTI system is completely different and it runs a different ECU. It's got a different torque curve and there are other small things all over it that are different. But I do agree the 5th gen 4Runner is probably the most solid vehicle Toyota has ever built. They absolutely get trashed and still run like they're brand new.

 

Your shop keeps engine failure data from 05/06? Highly unlikely...

Other than the HG issue that plagues higher milage 05/and 06 what other problems did they have? I'm genuinely curious.

 

BAD COMPRESSION ON 3rd cylinder? might wanna read my post on that. I had my truck in the shop for 3 months due to nation wide parts shortage. They had to rebuilt my entire top end. (Like 186 parts list)
There were multiple burnt exhaust valves along with 3rd cylinder. I took mine in every 5000k oil and tires. Always Costco 91 premium. Engine and truck always immaculate no dust or dirt. Air filter changed frequently. I treated this truck better than myself. But one day check engine light came on. I took it in same day. Got the bad code diagnosis and brought it back the next day until it was ready 3 months later. Had I ignored the light I would’ve ruined my entire engine and much more money. So, always get extended and always take in to the shop as soon as check engine come on. Don’t even wait a week or it could cost you more than you think. The extended warranty, the one everyone says you don’t need because it’s Toyota is full of crap. My situation is rare, but they do happen and my cost was $0.00 vs $6400
Extended warranty was like $800 I don’t remember. Now engine has 100k extended warranty on it or 12 months. I’m sure 12 months will come first. This happened at 75k!
while the engine was apart I paid for new plugs and belts to avoid labor costs and no she runs better than she did in 2018.

 

Sorry to hear this happened to you. Are you the original owner or did you buy it used?

 

Basically I could tell you the data directly from Toyota themselves and you would still say you're not going to believe me. So why does it matter? Even at mid-range mileage like 100k, we see more second gen stay overnight for work that we do third gen's. Again. Part of that is bias and goes back to the fact that second gen's have been on the road longer. But third genes are being produced and sold and higher numbers.

Head gasket failures. We're big ones, secondary air injection failures on 12 to 15s are also a huge deal. And just in general wear and tear. A lot of people run their spark plugs too long and don't do any sort of oil maintenance other than changing it every 10,000 which it's recommended at 5:00. But you got a bunch of old farts out there who don't know how to read, who think they know better than the engineers who built the damn things. Lol

 

Working on the floor for sure paints a different picture than what the suppose reality on the ground is. Alot of times too the common or major issues are swiftly remedied via tsb, under warranty or a non safety recall so by the time these vehicles rack up the miles where people start to judge them usually they're repaired already. You'd be surprised at the amount of low mileage catastrophic failures that occur for one reason or another that no one talks about compared to seemingly rarer concerns that plague a generation when you ask around