2018-2019 Tacoma; Modified Vehicle Handling Process Update

Okay how about this one: moron, I mean ex-wife, pulls her car into a tire shop to have leaky tire fixed. They pull the tire and see that the tire is so worn, the belts are showing (yes this is a true story). Imagine her fury when they said not only could they not fix the tire, they were not allowed to put that tire back on the car. They found a used tire which she paid $15 for to get by.

 

Yes I witnessed this twice. Once in Ohio. Once in Penn. I was employed at both shops. Both shops were/are reputable (was in the 1990's, I don't know if they are even in business anymore). I had nothing to do with the repair or phone calls to LE. Both times LE was State Police. Both times in my opinion it was warranted. I don't see what your issue is with this. Do want idiots with unsafe vehicles on the road driving around you, family, friends? Some people will not fix their vehicles no matter how bad they are until they themselves are inconvenienced. I don't know Toyota's stance on this in reference to the TSS as I don't work for Toyota in any way nor do you in all likely hood.

 

You are correct, I do not. My issue, in this context specifically, is telling people that Toyota may legally keep someone's truck when they bring it for a recall due to the truck having aftermarket mods and Toyota declining to apply the TSB because of said mods. That cannot legally occur and if a dealership ever told someone that, your first call should be to the police to get your truck back, not to line Toyota's pockets.

 

I have has recall notices in the past that deal with actual potential life threatening issues and they have a different tone completely. There was a DO NOT OPERATE VEHICLE listed. The dealer was to provide an immediate rental when the service was scheduled and you were to bring your vehicle in one the parts were confirmed to have arrived.

 

I also fail to see how tire size or even a lift is a concern. If the TSS is so sensitive that an inch or two of height causes malfunction, what happens when you load the bed up, or if a fatty, his fatty wife, and her fatty parents pile in? I would be interested to see the ride height difference on a stock truck loaded to capacity.

 

The manufacturer at issue is Toyota (and the primitive engineering utilized)... other vehicle manufacturers (those that lead auto technology advancements) have no issues with regard to these safety systems (dirt/snow smudges). Don’t blame the system tech... just the failed attempt to duplicate said systems by Toyota. If interested, go to the Mercedes website and see the future of automotive technology now.... Toyota will continue to attempt duplication, but manage your expectations with their success.

 

it doesnt, they just dont want there to be a death and you sue them because it malfunctioned.

 

I had my 2019 at dealership all day for TSS and they wouldn’t touch it until they got authorization from corporate. I have to go back in am. I am soo pissed because I have stock grille with 265/75/16 on stock rims. I made finance manager remove the extended warranty! It’s bad enough they won’t honor factory warranty , why in the world would I pay for them to screw me more.

 

I would really love to see someone just remove air from their tires until the sensor is at stock ride height. Then there's zero reason it can't be calibrated.
And for those with pro grilles, what's the sensor height difference from stock? If you have a lift with that amount, it's at the same height again, zero reason not to calibrate.


As someone who is planning to buy a Taco the second I can, then lift it with new tires, etc. This issue seriously might affect my decision to buy Toyota at all... Really interested to see if Toyota backs off on this nonsense.

 

Gladdd I have a 2017 without all the tss bs

 

Ive never seen a truck come from toyota with wheel spacers?? Very odd

 

They do not. That is a dealer addendum sticker for dealer installed equipment. Basically anyone that buys that truck will be married to that selling dealership if any of those items causes problems down the road.

 

While you may think this is nonsense, all the auto manufacturers will do this. I know.... someone will come on and say otherwise which would be BS. With an open mind, people need to look at it from Toyota's perspective. Toyota's position is that the TSS is designed to work within certain parameters which includes ride height, speed etc. Adding lift kits with bigger tires affects all that. So they're saying that the TSS won't work as designed when the vehicle has been modified as such. A perfect example to compare to is what happens to mpg when you put larger wheels/tires/lift kits on. It's goes down which means it's not operating like it was designed to.

Have to admit, the grille is a little hard to swallow. If it's an OEM grille that the dealer installed, don't see why it shouldn't be covered.

 

Because the TRD pro grill has the sensor in a lower position.

 

Again though, if you load the bed to capacity or tow with tongue weight at max, you will be way front high. If you load the cab to capacity, you will be way low. Obvoliously Toyota has tested the tss to work in those conditions. There is no way that overisze tires affect the tss enough to be out of limit. Lift + tires I would also doubt, but that is starting to get extreme. I think the issue here is the same as it always is, money. They don't always deny warranty claims based on mods because they think it really caused an issue. The do it because working on your truck for free costs money. If they can find a way out of doing that, they save money. Simple as that. No different than any other manufacturer.

 

Agree with everything you said. Also, it's nonsense
It'll just take someone suing them for specific performance to reign in the nonsense, I just don't want to be the Guinea pig.

I want my cruise control, could give a shit about auto braking, I just don't want false positives, which is really the sole way that liability could get transferred to Toyota, and the specific reason for the recall.

If Toyota man's up and does the recall, it'll address the false braking problem, and if my oversize tires make the system not register bicyclists at midnight on Tuesday in Arizona rainstorms, so be it. Give me the release to sign, but fix the damn part.

 

Exactly..
If the recall is to address the radar taking-on water, fix it so it won’t get wet.

All the other bullshit excuses are just that.. bullshit

 

Picked up my 18 Pro. The service document indicates, adjust millimeter, install sealer, and software. My 2nd visit because the 1st time they didn't have the correct sealer to do the recall.

 

I just had the recall done today. I was worried going in that they'd turn me away because I'm on 255/85r16 (stock suspension). The sensor height is probably close to stock. The front has just over an inch of sag, but none on the back. I have a Slimline bumper, steel cable winch, sliders, and 31m battery. The dealer did not comment or ask about any modifications.

This was at Concord Toyota in California if that helps anyone.

 

Its calibrated for that tolerance. It's not calibrated for that tolerance +2 inches

It probably works with a 6" lift on 40s with a chinese pro grill. That hasn't been tested by engineers. /thread

Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go spend 30 seconds putting a dab of silicone on my sensor before it has problems.