2018 official packaging and pricing released

Not interested in giving up any more control of my vehicle than I already have. I love driving my old 80's Jeeps without all the electronic safety bullshit. You actually get to drive instead of relying on a computer to compensate for the fact that you can't drive.

 

Not to thread- jack, but it's coming.....

GM to Test Fleet of Self-Driving Cars in New York
GM to deploy fleet of Chevrolet Bolts early next year in five-square-mile section of lower Manhattan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...fleet-of-electric-cars-in-new-york-1508212801

 

how about the people dying in tesla's or having major injuries. they are so reliant on the systems that they fail the basic common sense of how to correctly use them

they expect the system to literally wipe their a$$ and drive the vehicle for them, when in actuality the system is just an extension of what the driver should be doing.

/sarcasm

 

It is a mixed bag, love manual trans and all that "doing it yerself" what have you.

BUT...think self driving cars would make traffic a hell of a lot better (I effin hate commuting and traffic)...it would take the human error and hesitation out of the equation. Just think when the traffic light turns green all the cars would go simultaneously. Imagine all the cars would be "governed" so to speak at the speed limit....no more jackasses weaving in and out of traffic. I am sure you have see the the thing on about slow drivers hogging the left lane...at least here, I don't find that to be true...it is speeders "parked" in the passing lane tailgating other speeders...both are speeding just one is going slower than the other.

 

Why bother purchasing a vehicle with all the features that pretty much make you a passenger, when public transportation would probably be cheaper on the wallet.

There are still folks out there (like me) that want to experience driving the vehicle and have to fully pay attention while driving or die.

I still don't drive or have ever experienced ABS on a vehicle.

 

Public transportation takes too long to get anywhere. You may not even have to own the vehicle...they are already doing pay per use. You could schedule a driverless car to come pick you up and drop you off. No waiting around on a bus...and sticking to their schedule.

Don't know about you, my vehicles spend more time sitting than being used.

 

Do you have a better copy of this pricing? Great info!

 

I'd have about as much luck finding studies that can correlate such data due to driver aids allowing inattentive driving as you would finding they demonstrate specifically that they prevent them. A seat belt or air bag can be subjected to a quantitive test that closes the experimental loop. We know the risk/rewards for them, there are studies in literature that tell us seat belts and air bags can cause injuries but in major accidents I don't dispute that they are generally better to have than not.

But saying forward looking radar was the reason you didn't have an accident is impossible to test. The only way to "prove" these systems work would be if vehicles with them never have accidents and occupants are never killed. When a vehicle with them is involved in an accident the reason why is not studied because it's chalked up to human error or just simply "because accidents happen."

My presumption is that anything that allows a driver's attention to wane is similar in effect to something that requires his attention to distract. IOW, a cell phone or radio requires you to change your mental focus while a radar allows the driver to think about something else because the car will deal with watching for traffic. Both are practically doing the same thing, the driver isn't focused on driving. Perhaps the rise in road rage could be connected to this. Rather than being in the moment, following traffic and adjusting to it people are startled from their momentary haze of thinking about something else and that is upsetting. It's all conjecture, I admit that.

 

Ok, thanks. I just wanted to clarify your initial statement:

I'm sure it's a combinations of multiple factors. People do tend to forget these are driving aids, not auto-drive.

 

And that's the rub, isn't it? When the car is taking over part of the operation then it's up to the driver how effective it is. If you add all these features to a driver who continues the same level of attentiveness then, sure, they are probably hugely effective. But you know as well as I do that's not the case.

I know with cruise control set I tend to relax more and that's not wise. No more 10-and-2, both feet on the floor. Yup, I'm assuming that's taken wit large, more driver aids, less attention given. It's a PABS theory I have, people are basically stupid. When you approach any situation with the question in your mind "What is the stupidest thing someone can do here?" you are sadly rarely surprised by anything.

 

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/2018+toyota+tacoma+product+info.htm

 

Public transportation might be slower in your area vs. others. Could be faster than others. It all depends on the many demographics, including being in the city or in a rural area, being in a hurry, or not being in a hurry, the reason for needing to be in said hurry, lifestyle of the person, etc...

I'll give you my demographic example, if you care.

I live on the very edge of the growth boundary. If I head away from "downtown", I am entering the forested coast range within 10 minutes. Within that time, I am already passing ag, horse and cow farms.

Heading into my local downtown for daily things like fuel, groceries, doc appointments, or general needs, I try to plan my day to make a loop through and bang out everything I need to do in one efficient sweep.

I don't impulse shop, and do make lists. Lots of lists! I do ALWAYS plan for delays when going anywhere further into the bigger metro area. Without being absolutely accurate with this, I would guess that 95% of the time I arrive at least 30 mins early to wherever I was going.

Even for employment, I leave for work an hour and fifteen before I have to be there and in the building ready to work no less than 45 mins before my start time. My commute is 20-25 mins each way and choose to carpool with a buddy. We carpool primarily for up close carpool parking, chitchat during the drive, and we do share several interests/hobbies that we can discuss during the drive as well. We don't carpool to save the environment, although one could argue we are reducing emissions, blah blah, blah by carpooling. We don't carpool to save money, or miles on our cars. These are just a byproduct of why we do carpool. And we've been doing this for probably close to 15 years now.

Now, I've always preferred vehicles with manual transmissions and really don't get all gitty regarding "nanny" systems that are being added all the time to new vehicles.

I have been driving older cars (15-30+ years old) because they've worked just fine for my needs. My wife has had a few used cars and two new cars as well, one of which is the 1997 Taco I drive now. Not until I reached my 40's have I ever decided on ever owning a brand new vehicle for myself. And I've been extremely slow to make that happen as well, like 4-5 years slow. Have the funds, just no hurry.

I like to travel, (meaning road trip) with the family on weekends or weeks on end to explore the states, on and off road.

Never been in a car accident greater than a light tap moving less than 2 mph, or even stopped.

So, with that you can see why I am not in any hurry to see or need cars help me drive. I want to row my gears, and apply the brakes as I need to, when I need to.

As much as the new fangled "nanny" systems may be functional, they should not be a replacement for the real driver experience. In many cases, especially for new drivers, they only know how to drive vehicles with these systems, and obviously have to completely rely on them to work properly or cause serious accidents because they didn't know how to look over their shoulder before backing themselves, check lanes before changing lanes themselves, follow the car ahead them themselves, pulse the brakes themselves, turn on/off headlights themselves, drive on slick roads themselves, etc...

I actually feel the same about the "Crawl Control". Although it may work as advertised, it is 99% unneeded for those that have any experience driving off road without it. It might however allow a millennial to keep up with his dad on the trail.

 

Very similar to where/how I live...we live on the edge of the development...and surrounded by AG and National Forest. I am self employed so I schedule my day to miss most of the traffic assjackery. Leave at the house at 9:30 am, and work by 7:30-8:30 pm. Set the cruise at 65 mph...and it takes me 35 minutes door to door for the work commute...leave an hour early...because there is always some asshole on the interstate that runs out of talent...how in the hell do ya wreck going in a straight line!? Just yesterday two knuckleheads smashed into each on the on-ramp...not paying attention, refusing to yield to one another..

Yep, I have a '99 Tacoma manual trans with 360'000 miles on it, that I can't seem to give up...have the money, but after living through the last housing crash very hesitant to spend it. I keep on looking at the new Tacomas... dunno, just don't do it for me anymore. Love my old one...really think a Transit is the next move...(yeah so sorry about the van talk)...but seems like the best utility vehicle for doing out door rec stuff I like to do..dirt and mountain bike, snowboarding, and kayaking....over a pickup.

Oh I hear you on the tech stuff....it ain't for me, but for all the other jackholes out there who can't seem to drive. Shoot I was coming back from a dirt bike ride up in the mountains last week, been dodging trees, roots, and rocks all day long...coming home the interstate, some jackass cuts out around a semi truck in front of me...not seeing the traffic on the other side of the truck was stopped (in my lane), he pulls out and fricken stops in my "cushion" I like to leave for the vehicle in front of me....I stood on the brakes and came within a cunt hair of ramming my ARB through his hatch...left off the brakes for a millisecond and cut the wheels to the left, and my truck jerked into the median, avoiding an accident. *whew* never been in an accident before...that would of been the first in all of my 33 years of driving.

Some (most!?) people out there need driving aids. Honestly kinda hate to see it go that way, people need to be held accountable for their actions...however, I don't see self driving cars being a bad thing either, it may help with the mass populous. Because it is very clear the majority simply refuse to pay attention. I loose count how many people I see staring at their phones while driving.

 

Other than your quest to van up, sounds like we have very similar thought processes across the board. My 97 Taco has 217K and still rocking the factory clutch guts.
Such a great little truck with zero plans to rid of it. My son will get it when I purchase my new truck (if and when that happens).

It's so frustrating that I can't even get a brand new truck with similar qualities as my current truck with manual crank windows, manual trans, V6 in the SR or SR5 trims.

 

Yeah, pretty similar. Love my little truck, best vehicle I have ever owned...if I could buy a new one exactly like it, would do it in a heart beat...but things have changed. Both what is available on the market and my needs. What the prices pickups are going for these days, and what little you can haul for cargo in them...kinda the conclusion my buddy with the Sprinter came to, a van just makes so much more sense for a utility vehicle.

No plans to get rid of it, frame is still rust free...no body damage. As long as some knucklehead doesn't run into me, plan of keeping it for a long time.

Have a Wildernest for it, which I really like, however....it is more of a fair weather camper. Was up in Coeur d' Alene a couple weeks ago camping and riding dirt bikes. Storm rolled in the middle of the night. The Wildernest isn't the greatest in high wind, rain or the cold. Waking up in the middle of the night soaking wet and cold...got me looking at vans again. Hard sided, no setup...just crawl back there and crash. Somewhat stealthy over the 'Nest as it sticks out like a sore thumb when deployed. Right now I have an open trailer for the bikes...would like to keep everything inside [the van] out of sight and ditch the trailer.

Would like to convert the Transit to 4WD, but going to see how it goes with traction control, maybe a locker. I don't wheel too hard anymore, so it should be ok. I see the overseas version has a manual trans...say if I do convert to 4WD see if we can toss a manual trans in there, while everything is ripped apart...probably kill the budget though.

 

Those days are gone forever, over a long time ago...

I agree about missing the old simplicity, and would prefer my truck to have no frills, but high strength steel, airbags, crumple zones, etc are good things to have.

And I see dramatic changes on the horizon, similar to the dramatic change that replaced horse drawn carriages with internal combustion vehicles, so not going to worry about how fine my new ride is, just going to enjoy it while I can.

By the way, rotary dial phones were also quite "bullet proof", jk

 

Can’t wait to order my iPhone X tonight

Will work perfect with my wireless charger in the truck

 

Enjoy

 

Feel like the 1st Gen Taco's (the best gen??? ) were a good mix of old and new tech. EFI, but with manual trans and transfer case....and not too many electronic nannies.

 

The 1967 Dodge Dart- that was a good car....lol