2020 data transmittal

Dude's just voicing his opinion, just like you. People don't need to work for shady-ass organizations with a vested interest in invading your personal privacy to disagree with you.

 

This.

Anything to the contrary is being posted by a buncha' sheep who are okay with being sheared for the information. You sheep are right: I can't stop it, BUT...That's MY information being TAKEN FROM ME and utilized for profit. Since I am PRODUCING THE PRODUCT BEING UTILIZED AND SOLD...WHERE'S MY CUT OF THE PROFITS?

I think that will be the argument of future class action lawsuits.

And remember, this information is a double-edged sword: one day when you are charged with crimes you did not commit, and you were not there, this information MAY save your ass. It already has cleared a friend of mine. Twice.

 

Protection of liberty and individual freedom does not at all equate to paranoia. Plenty of law abiding citizens who are not criminals and who aren't going to be "caught" for anything care about this issue.

Satellite radio module has been removed, the service is a waste of money for me anyway. The GPS is most certainly is trackable, but Toyota and anyone they plan on selling or sharing the data with doesn't have access to it. My vehicle is tracked, but much less so than any 2020 or newer vehicle.

 

So, whatcha gonna do about it? Will you write letters to Toyota, or to your elected representatives, or to the NHTSA, arguing that these features constitute a violation of the fourth amendment (which I'm still not sure it does since you sign a EULA when you buy the vehicle authorizing the manufacturer to gather that data)? Or are you just going to voice your opinion that anyone that disagrees with your opinion is a sheep?

I know what I'm going to do about it, or already did about it rather, pull the fuse for the DCM and go on about my life.

 

Yes and these people are part of the problem.

We cannot bury our heads in the sand and blindly go along with what is happening in this country. Draw a line in the sand. Make a stand. Good lord have a spine. This country has gone soft.

This thread is not 'just a place to rant' as some have said. It is our new public square. Conversations like these get people talking about issues that matter, whether it is mods or repairs to our vehicles or other issues that are applicable to us like this one. Never has a conversation like this been more relevant.

I have run for office before, I'm involved in local and state politics, I volunteer my time to my community sitting on oversight boards, participating in trash clean up, painting peoples houses for free, my fiancé and I double team a route for meals on wheels feeding the poor and elderly. My words are not empty, and anyone who alludes as such is completely off base.

I've planned a run for the Florida state house in the 22' election season. I'm putting my money and time where my mouth is. Abraham Lincoln ran for Congress 5 times and was defeated. Lincoln didn't quit. Neither will I. There are moral and ethical absolutes in this world, and I intend to see them enforced.

-Your 29 year old Millennial raised by a Boomer

 

Excellent! One of the few examples of somebody actually doing something with their opinion. I salute you, Sir.

 

If you happen notice, I’m the guy who pulled the fuse and left the detailed description of the DCM earlier in the thread. I realized that I need the mic more than I thought though, so I just put it back in after a week or two.
Every new vehicle has this tech, we are in the minority at this point. Soon your giant screen dashboard will force you to watch a 30sec ad before being able shift out of park. Our voice means nothing. Just have to do our own thing at this point — which is why threads like this get the tin foil hat treatment.

 

I'm pretty sure it was your post I looked at before I brought the truck home that helped me decide to pull the fuse, and I thank you. I was talking to somebody earlier in the real world and realized something about this behavior that I find unsettling: the mic, when used for phone calls and searches is routed through the data collection module. I don't understand what legitimate purpose this data path would have other than to send recordings or usage statistics back to the hive mind. I'm perfectly happy to give up the use of the mic if that's what Toyota is doing, or has given themselves the ability to do.

Where there's a will, there's a way. If it comes down to it, there is a way to re-wire the truck to make it do what it should've been able to do from the factory. I do find it a bit annoying that a forum dedicated in large part to the modification and customization of a specific vehicle would be so adamant about leaving certain features alone (like DCM and Adaptive Cruise). The first question that was asked when I asked if there was a way to make the default cruise Constant Speed instead of Radar Assisted was "Why would you do that?" Because I want to, that's why.

 

Totally agree with you.
Problem is, it IS doing what it’s supposed to be doing from the factory.
No multinational is going to make it easy to defeat a device such as this. Especially when it makes them money.

There’s just too many humans. And the vast majority of them want the newest, flashiest, and ‘best’ things so they can flaunt, feel accomplished, and fill the gaping maw of the existential dread. This is programmed early on. Privacy be damned. Monopolies are not built on giving people choices.
Anyway.. I digress.

 

If you could identify one dictator, just one, who overthrew a democracy in a first world country due to modern electronics that would be great.

Just one

we will wait

Data privacy is a big concern, everyone here should be aware of what is being collected and the implications. But turning into a ranting nut job over it just gets the issue dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

 

So your argument is: Don’t worry about invasion of privacy because you are already being surveilled? Now that there’s one peeping Tom, I guess we ought to let the whole neighborhood watch?

I’ll be honest, I can’t follow that line of thinking.

 

I just want to point out that it's not the bulk/raw data of users that is worth much, rather it is the time, work, knowledge, etc. put into mapping populations, samples, segments, etc. I don't know of a single company that would pay for, let's say, the RAW data of all Tacoma World users. It would be completely useless without further processing. I feel like many have a misconception that their data is worth a lot to these companies when in reality that's simply not the truth. It's pretty much worthless. With this in mind, if (somehow) this were to reach a court of law I couldn't see it going in the favor of the people. You're trying to put a value on something that has none. This isn't to say there isn't a case, but it's much more complicated than most beleive.

Data handling/storage varies from company to company but during my time in compliance, data was usually handled as such:
- No names, addresses, phone numbers, or any other personally-identifying information.
- Customers were given an ID that could not be traced back to any personal information.

I agree, it's a double-edged sword. Better products, fewer supply-chain issues, faster debugging, etc. That said, I do believe we should have the option to opt out of data tracking services or have the ability to remove our personal data from websites akin to the European GDPR.

 

The data we generate has no worth? Then let's take it off the table and see how long the gatherers and users of it can profit without it. THEN maybe it'll garner worth, enough that they will compensate us for it. For without it they have little to market and no revenue. Am I correct? I mean, if it has no value, why do so many apps want access to every file I have? Pay me enough and MAYBE I will let you watch.

 

Your data has exceptionally little worth. My data has the same value. Your data and mine put together is only slightly more than twice that value. The data of millions of people is when data becomes valuable. Your search history isn't valuable, but El Goog makes billions off the search history of billions of people.

 

I've driven company-owned commercial vehicles for the past 20 years, most of which have had some sort of GPS (or other type) of tracking system installed and used on them. It used to bother me but since I work in emergency response it is nice that our Dispatcher has the ability to see where everyone is at. It's also personally come-in handy to prove that I ran a call at a particular time and place. Two weeks ago we used the built-in GPS tracker to locate a nearly new F-250 we have which got stolen by a former employee. Most commercial drivers have been dealing with tracking systems since at least the mid 80's (from what a retired Truck Driver I know tells me).

So if Toyota wants to track me, go ahead. I drive reasonable speeds, don't make a habit of four-wheeling through Green Belts and I like that when I get in my truck on a Friday evening my i-phone (running through the Infotainment system) tells me how long it'll take for me to get to my favorite BBQ joint across town.

For everyone else, the last time I was at the Grocery Store (which if Toyota is tracking me was last night) there is no shortage of Tin Foil

 

And that’s assuming it’s secure. Plenty of very companies can’t do security and leak all kinds of information you didn’t even think they had to people who have bad intentions.


Better for them not to collect the data in the first place.

 

In this case we do have the power to prevent that, at least in the case of the Third Gen Taco.

 

...and if the data is leaked, or Toyota has a security hole, I don't care if they can track my wife or daughter. I'm sure my wife and daughter would be fine knowing 3rd parties can track them, see where they are parked.

 

What on Gods green earth are you even talking about? Who mentioned dictators or overthrowing of democracy? Nobody but you. I state that I am running for political office (and in a representative republic by the way), not attempting to be a dictator. Do not take another persons words and twist them to fit your own perverse narrative; this is tantamount to lying.

No one is here to discuss the overthrowing of anything. We are discussing our civil liberties, privacy concerns, technology being utilized in the Tacoma, and our consumer spending habits.

You accuse me of ranting of conspiracy theory yet your post reeks of extremism.

Think before you speak.

 

Excellent, more nonsensical talk of tin foil. Thanks for your illuminating and substantive contribution to this discussion.

I too was at the grocery store yesterday. I'm happy to report that there are no shortage of steaks on the table in the United States...