2021 Tacoma Refresh?

Diamond hands bro

 

I've owned turbo engined vehicles before (have one now). I love the boost - but get wary once the miles rack-up... I get downright nervous as they get above 100k...

I'd rather not have the complexity and introduce a sensitive system that is $$$ to fix. Plus the revs needed for the spool-up do not really suit an off road vehicle...

I keep my vehicles for a long time as I've been lucky with reliability - I've done brakes, struts, and general wear item replacements - other than that no major repairs... - I've never even had to replace a clutch even up to 200k mi.

Either way it does not matter... I plan to keep my '21 to 300k mi + or when an even marginally suitable electric alternative comes along!
- Would love max torque at minimal RPM!

 

I doubt it will ever happen but the 4.6 V8 in a Tacoma would be a worthy upgrade. They put the 4.7 in the 4Runner, mid 2000's, and those are like gold now, at least where I live.

 

i woke up in the middle of the night last night and found my wife shopping for a new Tacoma for me. she knows i want a TRD-offroad, and was going thru the build/price option on the toyota website.

historically, the manufacturer WILL NOT do any significant refresh until just about 10 minutes AFTER i buy one.

you should have seen me buy my Santa Cruz mountain bike. i was rolling mine out when the delivery truck showed up with the updated model. unbelievable.

so patience guys. i wish they would soon, so i could buy one of yours used

 

This...coming from a forced induction vehicle it is better to keep it NA, and the linearity of the power delivery is underappreciated.

 

Same, I had my Taco for 13 years before I traded up. But what about Superchargers? The 3rd gens finally have the V6 Magnuson kit available; perhaps less stress on engine parts with that type of system?

 

I saw an LS swap on the 2nd Gen Taco. The 3rd Gen has more room in the engine bay. I wonder what NA V8 could fit the mounting brackets?

 

If engines are built for the turbo, I see no issues. OTR trucks put on millions of miles and their power is all down low. Not every turbo engine is built to be a high revving power monster. Using a smaller turbo and a beefy bottom end is a long proven recipes or reliability and tons of torque.

 

True but my last car was built around just that, and numerous owners have been plagued by poor reliability and multiple recalls. Granted it was a Ford, but it's hard to argue a FI engine outlasting a NA powerplant over the long haul. Over the first 100k, probably no issue, beyond that though I'd go NA everyday. For most ppl who buy vehicles every 3-5 years, that won't be an issue. So to each their own I guess

 

I doubt turbos will ever happen, the changing of the guard will insure that Toyota offers an electric Yaris as the Tacoma pricing goes to the moon.

 

Ford as been the worst at trying to over-load underbuilt engines with turbos, IMHO. They are trying to make super light weight engines that make the power of larger ones. There isn't really a free lunch there. You need a bottom end that can handle the power of whatever size engine you are emulating with the FI. Ford also likes to do some weird crap with their cam timing and other ancillary parts that cause issues unrelated to FI in their newer FI engines.

It's a shame, similar to diesels not getting a fair shake due to the handicaps they have to deal with out of the gate. It is certainly easier to build a reliable NA engine, but no one questions the reliability of older turbo diesels. FI has been worked out by now...it's companies trying to use it as a band-aid that give it a bad wrap.

 

Definitely agree, but turbo diesels are a different beast. And it's actually the top end going out on the Ford motors. Didn't help they put the wrong head gasket in the car from the rip, resulting in the first recall. But I have also owned relatively reliable FI VWs that make TONS of low end tq. I mean an ECU flash you can get north of 50hp and 80tq. How the engine is designed and built is obviously super important, and a company like Toyota wouldn't risk their reputation designing something that would not stand the rest of time. But the fact they are extremely hesitant to turbo other vehicles in their line up (looking at you FRS) suggests they won't. Honestly I didn't realize how nice the consistent powerband was until I hopped back into the Taco with a V6. Been driving turbo 4s for almost a decade and even the better turbos still have a bit of lag or lose power throughout the powerband before surging again at redline. However, it'd still be cool to see (not a turbo 4 but a twin turbo 6 like in the F150s). My buddy has one and it rips, same powerplant that's in the GT (not mustang...the supercar lol).

 

Yeah, it’s odd...they did so much early work, twin turbo Supra, turbo trucks and 4runners in the 80’s, then nothing.

As far as turbo diesels, I think the biggest difference is that a massively built engine was accepted from the get go. With the increased use of FI in gas engines, everyone is trying to make everything as light as possible. When I say bottom end, I should be saying the long block. Like you said, the heads play a hugely important part in the reliability when adding boost, even if it's just a little.

I wish MFG's would look at it as a more efficient (space and fuel efficiency wise) way to replace/add "displacement" rather than a way to add power to a small engine.

 

Toyota was likely handcuffed by Subaru in terms of the turbo engine in the FRS. Subaru, for reasons I have never understood, simply won't put the WRX engine in the platform. FRS/BRZ with a 250HP Turbo engine would be a killer sports car. I assume they didn't wish to poach sales of the WRX but they're really 2 different animals with the BRZ being the only 2WD, 2 door vehicle in the Subaru stable. Since Toyota already has the relationship with BMW on the Supra, how about a truck-tuned, high low-end torque version of the Supra 3.0 turbo straight six in a Tacoma? That would be a sweet combo.

 

"These King shocks make late night T-bells runs so smooth. *Rips joint* I'm fucking Dialed bro!"

 

If this happened to me, I would assume I was dreaming.

It would be a nice dream though

 

Lol