2022 NASCAR THREAD

These are nowhere close to comparable. Matt did his retaliation at a much slower track at less than half the speed of yesterday, probably a 3rd. And he did not break every rule NASCAR has in what a driver is required to do after having been in an incident. He did not walk down the track and assault anyone. He did not tell the safety crew to fuck off either.
Matt was also flat dumped by the 22 at much higher speeds and that ended the 20's playoff run the week prior. The really fucked up part is the 22 was already locked in when he chose to do that to the 20. Bubba had options, all he had to do was lift. He had options in the middle of the race, had he chose to lift he would have lost the spot and could have been back to the 5 in a few laps. The 5 did not cut the 45 any slack but he did not do him dirty per say. The 5 did not make contact with the 45. Bubba chose to keep his foot in it and therefore hit the wall. Poor decision #1. When the 22 took out the 20 Matt had no chance to save that car or option to lift. He just got dumped.

 

You're embellishing simply because it is Bubba.

The rule is that they must remain in their vehicles until emergency crews arrive on scene. I didn't watch the incident live and didn't see Bubba, but I saw emergency crews were with Kyle. I would assume that to mean crews had gone to Bubba at the same time. There have been multiple occasions where drivers will talk to (or confront) one another after a crash, on track. One recent example that comes to mind is Kyle Larson and Ty Dillon in Indy.

Furthermore, there was not "an active race" as one of your earlier comments suggested. It was under caution. The EMS crews wouldn't have even been allowed there if NASCAR didn't seem it safe to be.

Like I said, about the only way Bubba gets penalized out of this is if NASCAR can find telemetry data to suggest Bubba intentionally took out Larson and not that his steering was broken (as he claimed). NASCAR hasn't been penalizing drivers for punching one another, let alone shoving one another, in recent years. Hell, Ty Gibbs wasn't penalized for punching the shit out of Sam Mayer; he was penalized for ramming Mayer's car on pit road.

 

You are simply wrong and perhaps you should take the time to watch it before you comment. A race under caution is an active race. Juan Pablo slammed into a jet dryer under caution. Tony Steward killed a kid under caution. We used to do a lot of shit, we used to not have pit road speeds either. Flat out Bubba is wrong on several levels here. And not because it is bubba. Any driver would be wrong. Not to mention you get one of the two, you can retaliate on the track or in person you don't get to dump someone at 170 plus then try and kick their ass. It's never been that way. And yes the EMS crews were on the track but they are wearing safety equipment. The drivers were not, and they are there to ensure the drivers are safely put into a vehicle and transported for evaluation. Period. You do not know what you are talking about, try as hard as you like you cannot justify the 45's actions.
Cars crash under caution all the time. What if the 24 wanted to punt the 11 again and Bubba is walking across the infield. What if a tire comes off. They are still cars running around at 70ish MPH even under caution. Shit happens under caution all the time. Hence the rules!

 

If NASCAR is consistent then yes, Bubba will get fined & parked.
Infraction 1: Retaliation
Infraction 2: Walking across a live race track
infraction 3: Walking away from the safety crew & skipping the ambulance ride.
(IMO the slap fight was just race car drivers doing what they do. It's inherent in NASCAR like getting in the umpire's face in MLB)

 

Yeah- Jeff was in the booth for the Logano-Kenseth incident. He said pretty much the same thing but wasn't as verbose as he is nowadays. He used to be able to say a lot more with less words back then. Now he's more full of himself and rambles.

 

Props to KL. He handled the aftermath very well. I agree with the masses here; Bubba or not, you can't do what he did and expect there not to be some repercussions. After a race and all cars parked, sure, duke it out. Under race, caution or not, can't do that, it's a liability.


Remember when Hailey Deegan's pit guy got escorted out of the track for running after a loose tire? Well, Bubba trying to pick a fight during the race is the same thing; dangerous for him and others.

 

Shit, they pulled that dudes credentials and escorted him out of the facility on the spot for that!

 

exactly!

 

I fail to see the part where I tried to justify Bubba's actions. The masses of ignorant fans want Bubba crucified over his actions and are too blind to look at it for what it is.

I never made claim that Bubba acted appropriately or professionally. I simply stated the facts:

1. The only way Bubba gets penalized (based on past history) is if there's telemetry data showing he intentionally took out Larson. Other drivers have done much worse than Bubba's shoving match and gotten away with it.

2. Emergency crews don't generally tend to one driver over the other. Larson not only had emergency crews at his vehicle. The examples you cited are piss poor at best. Montoya was running well above the caution speed (nearly race speed) when his tire went out. Tony Stewart's incident not only occurred before NASCAR implemented their rule, but it was in an entirely different league and on track with a driver who was found to have drugs in his system. Larson and Wallace were in the infield, away from traffic, under caution, after they had both been cleared to exit their vehicles by the presence of the emergency crews, which is what the rule states. You can "what if" all day, but the freak examples you give are nothing more than an embellishment meant to sensationalize the situation. If any of what you just said was even close to a common occurrence, emergency crews and drivers wouldn't even be allowed to be out of their vehicles at all without completely halting the field. Get a grip.

Again, I never once said what Bubba did was appropriate or professional. Simply that the shoving match and exiting his car are not the reasons he would receive a penalty, based on past practice.

 

You can completely remove Bubba from the picture here. You seem to want to make this seem as though we are bashing on him because of his ethnicity and that is not the case. I think anyone would call out any driver who did what he did yesterday. At every level at all 4 or 5 phases of the incident that driver completely overreacted. Emergency crews did go to both cars, bubba told his safety team to fuck off and walked away. Then proceeded to take a leisurely stroll down the track. YOU CANNOT DO THAT! Drivers to not walk down the infield grass and assault each other routinely as you would paint the picture. Bubba was not actually cleared to exit his vehicle, he dropped the net and started walking towards Larson before they even got their which is another violation. I am not sure why you have such a hard on to prove that he did nothing wrong but as I stated before, you are incorrect. As usual.

The incidents I cited are the reasons we have the rules we have now, therefore validating them in this conversation.

 

Is this guy’s name really Bubba?

 

Lol clearly you didn't read what I said, so I'll make it crystal clear for you:

I never said he didn't do anything wrong. What I did say is that any penalties (based on past practice) would be for him intentionally taking out Larson. That's it. He exited his vehicle upon arrival of safety crews, like he was supposed to. He walked over to Larson (as numerous other drivers have done in other incidents), and then proceed to show his displeasure. NASCAR has not penalized drivers for doing much worse. If any penalties are levied, I expect it to be related to Bubba taking out Larson on track, assuming they can prove it. Not anything afterward. Again, based on past practice.

But everyone is convinced that he'll "get nothing" because of who he is, rather than actually looking at the incident. Convince yourself of whatever you want, the reactions would be much different if it were any other driver.

 

It's a nickname he goes by. His real first name is William, although more commonly known by his middle name of Darrell, and even more commonly as "Bubba."

 

Bubba got out of his car and started walking towards Kyle, before the safety crew got to bubba's car. I don't give a fuck what driver it was, I'm a Elliott fan, if he'd turned someone from the right rear at 160+ mph, I'd feel the same fucking way. But, with it being bubba and he didn't admit he done it on purpose, that his steering was broke, the whole world knows that's bullshit, he will probably get nothing. Most drivers own their fuckups, or wrecking people, bubba is now a bigger ass, because he won't even own it.

#FUCKBUBBA

 

As I mentioned: if what he claimed is false (i.e. that his steering was broken), telemetry should be pretty easy to see.

But also I wouldn't blame him for not admitting it considering he has previously been penalized for admitting to intentionally causing a caution and citing other drivers who have done the same.

 

Bubba said he’s sorry. Let’s move on

 

Believe whatever you like man. My blood pressure can’t handle trying to have a conversation with you. LOL…

 

Ok, Bubba was wrong when he took out Kyle Larson using his car because he was having a Temper Tantrum like the Little Baby that he is when he can't get things his way, We all know that's just the way Bubba is. When he went over to Kyle and pushed Kyle and tried slapping at him well that's just how things go we have seen this for how many years??? Yes Bubba Needs To Be Parked for using his car for taking out the 5 and Yes Bubba Needs To Be Suspended for using his car for taking out the 5. But NASCAR wont do it since they are WOKE.

 

Finally!!!

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