2024 Reliability / Durability - Believe it or not?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cvCjidjnKYY

 

The Turbos will hold up. Watch: It will be some "previously-never-been-an-issue-before-in-Toyota-trucks-history" component that will bite them in the bu*t.

If not, it will be the electronics... it's always the electronics. Or the head gasket because they made it more light-weight to save 4 ounces.

 

Are you buying an I-FORCE Max?

 

Depends on who you ask. My mechanic buddies who own shops and are senior techs say otherwise. One is a Toyota nutter, he isn’t happy about the gasser turbo, much rather have a diesel.

My mother also had trouble with her weight she was young, and did something about it.

People hate each other, I work with the public…the number one thing people complain about is….






…wait for it……other people.

People are fucking dicks. Just look at this forum, mostly a bunch of guys being assholes to each other. So I am the bad guy??? Didn’t even think what I said was even that bad, (I can go full on dick mode if you want). For being the head engineer not even sure he would be comfortable in a Tacoma.

Grew up with my father in a wheelchair because of MS, my mom had us all on a strict diet growing up, mainly to help relieve some of his symptoms, if he had to be on it, we all did, just easier that way. Plus have a usual birth name, have been teased most of my life, and still get it. You can either sit in the corner and cry about it, or get over it.

Someone mentioned about success and being overweight. Imagine a world of where we valued our health more than money.

So if you’re trying to lay on a guilt trip, (I don’t like people in general) it won’t work on me.

 

No. To quasi quote Lt. Pete "Maverick" Mitchell (kind of):

"I'd very much like to Sir: But not today."



Maybe next year

 

Mechanics are as susceptible to nostalgia, rumor, superstition, cognitive biases, and sampling bias as anyone else.

heck there are real deal mechanics who are actual mopar fans. My uncle owned a shop for decades and actually likes jaguars

 

Why are turbos completely fine on a diesel but on a gas engine they are the devil

 

bleeding edge... it's where you find out. Not usually a fan, but, in this case, I'm game.

 

Because gas engines have all them teeth, but no toothbrush, that’s what Mama says.

 

Diesel: Heat=Good
Gasser: Heat=Bad

lol! Tru dat! The one hates Toyotas. Like absolutely hates them, thinks the legendary reliability is mostly bullshit, fed by internet lure. He works for Ford, maintains fleet vehicles, so sees a lot. Their gasser Turbos are good for 200-300K, while diesel if treated right will go 500K-Million.

Granted the average consumer gets bored long before that…*oh look shiny!* since we live a throw away society. So does all this reliability discussion really matter?

It might be a fantastic engine, but we really won’t know for about 10 years, after we get some real world use and abuse. With thousands upon thousands of data points. The 3.0 V6 was a terrible engine, and that was built in Japan, supposedly the best place to manufacture vehicles.

 

Dunno how much the 4G tech will come from the Tundra turbo but it's intercooled and the exhaust manifold is water cooled all to help keep temps down for turbo longevity. If there's oil cooling I dunno but I'd think there possibly could be.

 

What you quoted is the general consensus of the diesel vs gasser turbo debate. Diesels love to be worked hard, bad for them otherwise. Gassers get them too hot, they don’t fair well.

Hopefully Toyota did their homework to hold on to their reliability reputation. We really don’t know at this point. As they say, time will tell. Believe there are going to be some teething issues at first like the handful of Tundras, but will be ironed out. Just have to sit back and watch, though we are experiencing interesting times right now with the adaptation of EVs, while waiting to see if this new turbo is any good… BEVs might just take over.

Followed a white Rivian SUV out of the grocery store parking lot this evening, that is one sexy vehicle. One thing looking at pictures, but in person *wow!* Seeing more and more Rivians running around here.

 

I think you’re right. Using plastic on certain cooling pipes needlessly created headaches for many early Gen3 owners.

For the 2.4T, there’s two hurdles to clear. One is obviously early, avoiding either electronic gremlins or faulty new parts, and assembly glitches. Only one chance to make a first impression. If they stumble out of the gate early, it’ll be even harder to convince the skeptics later.

The next hurdle is much further down the line, more related to overcoming the traditional turbo bogey’s as related to heat as miles pile up. It’ll be a while until we see how 80-90-100k mile trucks with a couple owners under their belt hold up. Stakes are high here, b/c with everyone running solid turbo 4’s anyway, this is where Toyota has to differentiate themselves.

 

The “problem” with turbos is they need scheduled maintenance to be done.. on schedule.

There are enough people that buy Toyota’s because they think oil changes need done every leap year. They’re in for a rude awakening when their engine blows. they’ll go to another midsize that will likely have a turbo engine and the same thing will happen.

 

Look at how many people scoff at the 30K mile service, simply because they don’t want to pay a measly $1200+/-. iirc it is the diffs, throttle body and fuel system clean, flush the steering and brake system, believe the trans and transfer case is at 50K.

Really think they are going to take care of a turbo? There are plenty of owners that skip basic routine maintenance because well….it is a “Toyota”.

Think we are going to see a lot of premature failures because of neglect. Buying an out of warranty 4G Tacoma could be costly. We just had the dealer put a new engine in my 1st Gen. The total came to $16K, for the engine, labor and a couple under the hood things it needed. Did a power steering pump and new lines, those things were $1800 alone. The brand new pump they put in was bad from the get go, and already replaced under warranty. Toyota is not infallible even with the basics.

Can only imagine what a new engine install will cost for the 4G.

We can argue all day long whether it is going to be reliable or not, at this point none of us know. And won’t for about 5-10 years. I drive 20K/year. It will take me 5 years to get to 100K, another 5 to 200K. So 10 years to see if it is any good, and by that time imagine BEVs will be more mainstream and the T4 will become moot.

Even the anvil reliable 3.4 V6 in my ‘99 needs a timing belt and water pump every 90K, which I consider a major repair. What will the T4 need during its service life?

 

I liked what he had to say. I’m also looking forward to driving the 2.4 8 speed. We’ll see in a few months.

 

The 2.4T will inherently have greater sensitivity towards any negligence of service requirements, not to mention the kind of driving habits that a 1GR shrugged right off. Relative indifference to wide variances of care has always been Toyota’s special sauce. Continuing that theme with a forced induction four cylinder will be a heroic challenge, even for Toyota.

Sheldon can overbuild turbines, expand cooling pipe capacity, and bench test so that each motor off the line in Alabama may very well have 250k mi potential….however, once they hand it over to the first, second, and third owners, real-world long term durability can vary dramatically.

 

and take into account the negligence of the next generation of owners, it's going to be a real test.

 

almost the exact discussion I had with a dealer over why I wanted a truck now, at the end of the run..
Last Tacoma v6's coming off the line...
Thanks EPA...

 

I'm convinced that's why they include the "ALL THE MAINTENANCE" up to 24,000...It's two oil changes and maybe a tire rotation. The "Free service" is now priced into the car..But it guarantees even the most inept of owners at least limp to the end of the 3/36,000...It's like going to the dentist...it's preventative so you don't have a mouth full of cavities and root canals...