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2WD w/o locker....snow even possible?

Discussion in 'Arizona' started by MacGyvR, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. Nov 15, 2010 at 1:30 PM
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    MacGyvR

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    So....I'm starting to realize that someone slapped some stickers on my truck before I bought it, because despite the TRD on the sides I have no RR locker button on the dash. :(

    I was planning a trip to flagstaff to head to the cinder pits, but I've seen people with 2WD get stuck there a lot, and I don't want to be THAT guy.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Nov 15, 2010 at 1:33 PM
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    your in the same boat i was in with my last truck. I bought a base model that someone put TRD stickers on...

    I lived in idaho for 2 years with that truck and it worked fine, 2wd open dif. yea it would slide around some but nothing that I couldnt handle. throw a few sand bags in the bed for snow, ice and keep a light foot and you should be ok.

    the only time I ever got stuck was in some powdery sand and only b/c I wasnt going fast enough.
     
  3. Nov 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM
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    Feels bad man.
    I really wish they didn't sell those stupid stickers.

    Bout how deep do you think is "too deep?" If I throw a bunch of sandbags in the back can I get through any deeper?

    And would chains make any difference?
     
  4. Nov 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM
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    ehh im not sure how deep. here's a pic of my truck after a day of playing in the snow with NO weight in the bed, my truck was pretty much sideways the entire time.
    chains would help for sure, they will help with traction and keeping it straight
    [​IMG]
     
  5. Nov 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM
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    i was wondering the same thing....im supposed to be goin to Snowshoe VA this Christmas break...im just hopin my truck makes it n what not or else i will take my moms 07 Explorer cuz its got 4x4
     
  6. Nov 15, 2010 at 2:12 PM
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    @ zombie runner
    that is an awesome pic! I hope to get some good ones when I'm up there, hopefully not stuck in the snow or smashed into a tree. I'll have some good weight back down to tucson with a few trees in the back. Sounds like the biggest problem will be my lead foot.

    Where'd you get your chains from?

    @lilredstud
    I plan on leaving the 17th or the 18th and coming back a few days later. When I come back I'll share how it went (though you'll probably already be headed out bey then).
     
  7. Nov 15, 2010 at 2:46 PM
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    ok thanks dude
     
  8. Nov 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM
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    TRD offroad comes with the locker right? Sport comes with limited slip?
     
  9. Nov 15, 2010 at 2:51 PM
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    4x4 is not necessary for snow on most paved roads. Go slow, weight in back of truck, chain up or have them available if you're going way up in the mountains.

    Next snowstorm, take a look around at all the cars in the ditch. A surprisingly large percentage will be FWD/AWD with an over-confident driver waiting for the tow.

    /grew up in Michigan
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    /still don't need 4wd.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM
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    In the first post, I explained that someone put the stickers on my truck, it's not actually a TRD.

    Unless it actually has limited slip. I was under the impression they weren't an option in '03. I also don't have the sticker on the rear diff, so it's not looking good.

    Anyone have any idea if it's worth swapping in a new diff?
     
  11. Nov 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM
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    cant wait to rip up some snow in my new taco
     
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    No, you don't need limited slip or 4wd for snow. It's a nice feature but if you're sticking to the roads, good tires and weight in the bed go a long way. I have 4wd and the only thing I use it for on pavement is parallel parking where I need slow speed control so I don't slide into the other parked cars. I grew up in upstate NY and never had the luxury of 4wd until now. You'll be fine with an open diff. A locked diff can sometimes cause a worse situation in snow since you no longer have that stationary tracking wheel and can cause fishtailing.
     
  13. Nov 15, 2010 at 3:39 PM
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    [​IMG]

    This is what I'm hoping to make it through.

    [​IMG]
    This is what I'm driving.

    There's no way I could make that trail with my truck, but you guys think I could drive on the already packed snow?

    I'm leaning towards no, but I also know I'm at least going to try. I figure my friend will be there with his AWD car, and I'll have chains.

    EDIT:
    Fun fact, that Tahoe was the guy I saw with 2WD get stuck.
     
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    Mostly stock for now, I have added a cb radio, various cheap mods and I plan on adding aftermarket wheels and other items in the future.
    I don't have much experience compared to some others that live in areas that snow all winter. But my Parents have a cabin in the mountains and I do go up during the winter.

    What I noticed is that when I used the diff lock, all it wanted to do was slide sideways and not go forward. It was actually better to drive with the open diff on the road. Now this was only with a small amount of snow on the road....could be different with more.

    OP, I would suggest getting some chains or cables (cheaper). I use cables and drive around without the diff lock on and it works great.
     
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    Chains really go a long long way when it comes to traction. If someone breaks a trail for you, I would think you'd make it through fine. Have recovery equipment with you in case you need a tow. The worst part would be if those ruts freeze, not having power to the front end forces you to go where the ruts lead you. I've said it once, I'll say it again, TIRES TIRES TIRES!!!
     
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    I agree, I almost never go into 4wd. Just take it easy, make sure you have decent tires, and get some weight in the back. I like having a shovel in the snow so that if the back insists on breaking loose aven with a soft foot I can just shovel 100lbs or so of snow back there for even more weight.
     
  17. Nov 16, 2010 at 6:17 AM
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    yea i would get chains for sure if the snow is THAT deep. I took my truck up to Bogus basin in idaho a few times and I never had any problems with it, no chains either.

    get a flat bill shovel, a few sand bags, and some chains/cables and go for it!
     
  18. Nov 18, 2010 at 4:54 AM
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    As you said, do NOT open the door and try to stop a vehicle with your foot, that's a great way to seriously hurt yourself. When your tires are locked like that, you lose any steering control of the car, although it's counter-intuitive, you should turn the steering wheel and try to get the front tires to pull you out of the slide (that's an AWD Subaru in the video, doesn't work for 2wd trucks obviously). If that happens to you in a rear wheel drive truck, steer out of it as best you can but if you're just uncontrollably sliding, sometimes there's not much you can do...

    As far as chains, put them on before you head into the deep snow. As far as road conditions, it's a judgement call. They ride very very rough on plowed roads so I wouldn't use them there personally, unless it's a desolate area where getting stuck is a very serious situation. Tire chains are for more extreme conditions, good snow tires will get you through just about any traveled and plowed road and even some that are not plowed.
     
  20. Nov 18, 2010 at 7:31 AM
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    hahaha those idiots got out of their car! thanks for that video.

    sometimes those things are unavoidable...if your too worried about it you probably shouldnt get out in it. Dont lock up the brakes..that only makes it worse, like said above, try and steer your way out of it or to a "safe" area.
     
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