3.5L V6 vs 4.0L V6

I would't exactly call the 4.0 a big grunt engine.

 

It's all relative. The 3.5 has no grunt.

 

Not much going on? Well, you can always resurrect this stupid argument

 

The old work trucks had way wimpier engines than today. :dunno:

 

I guess it depends on how you measure. If you're talking about going faster, you are correct.

 

Actually, they are the same architecture. Different bore and stroke and changes to the way fuel/spark are delivered, but they are quite similar.

Both engines actually have quite a bit more power than the "work trucks" from the 40s and 50s.

I also think the "mini-van" engine is quite hilarious. Mini-vans are designed to haul lots of weight.... the GVWR of the Sienna is 5,995 lbs, the Tacoma 5,600 lbs..... the 2nd Gen was a little less than that.

As far as towing 6500lbs with a Taco...... I'd try not to do that regularly. If I was towing 10,000lbs, I might really look at bigger truck than a half ton as well. Are they rated for it? Sure, but I'd have my ducks in a row, trailer braking, towing mirrors and all the other stuff before I ventured out that far.

 

I'm talking about power. The old inline sixes and four bangers didn't make much power or torque compared what we have today. Old trucks didn't even tow as much.

 

Hmmm. The GCWR of the Tacoma is about 11000 lbs. that's far more than a minivan motor is expected to haul! The power in my truck motor is what's available between 1500 and 3500 rpm.

 

You must be a special kind of stupid.
An engine has no clue what is behind it. Gearing plays a HUGE factor in how the engine behaves while towing.
A 1990 chevy truck made less power between 2500 and 3500, yet it could tow more reliably than a tacoma. Your tacoma(I assume you have a 2nd gen) will not tow nearly as well as a full sized. You must be eating some weed brownies to think that.
If I had a tundra, I would bet you pink slips that it would out tow your tacoma. All day, every day.
Get your head out of your ass. Why don't you do some research before talking.

 

Why didn't you change the plugs 'as scheduled' too? The belt is a roll of the dice, but seems silly not to change it. When it breaks it will be on a dark road on a stormy night, spare on hand or not.

I don't think anyone has that level of mileage as a longevity benchmark yet.

You're rolling an average of 35k a year. That's a lot of miles.

Curious how long brakes last you and how fast you go through tires? Have you regularly serviced the transmission and differential? How many times have you replaced the suspension?

 

Really? You just called me stupid because you disagree with my observations and analogy? How rude! Also, nowhere did I compare the Tacoma to a full size truck. This is a debate about the differences between the 4.0 (1GR) and the 3.5 (2GR). It is my opinion that the 4.0 is much more suited for a work truck and the 3.5 more suited for a fun truck.
Just because my opinions differ than yours, doesn't make me any kind of stupid. Thank you...

 

Apparently you don't even remember what you said.
"You couldn't be more wrong! A midsize truck will haul 6500 lbs as well as a full size will haul 10000lbs."

What are your observations? I know there is evidence to back up the 2gr will out tow the 1gr going up a grade.
I know that my 2gr will get better gas mileage than the 1gr in my buddies tacoma.
Your OPINION is that it is better suited for a truck, yet it isn't supported by what you have said.
I called you stupid due to the analogies you were making.

 

And yet the mini van engine truck will haul more weight than the truck engine truck eh?

 

You may call me stupid all you want because as you've never met me... that analogy is not supported.
Look at it this way: A diesel is highly sought after as an ideal work truck engine. It produces all of its power at a very low rpm. This is what gets heavy loads moving.
The 3.5L 2GR motor produces most of its power at a much higher rpm, typically around 3000 to 6000. Not only is this evident in the Gen3 Tacoma but also in my wife's Sienna. Don't get me wrong, the 3.5 motor is very powerful. I have impressed many people with its acceleration. The power band of the 4L 1GR motor falls somewhere in the middle. Although it doesn't generate the kind of torque a diesel will nor the thrilling power of the 3.5... it's well suited for a midsize truck...for what it was designed for 15 years ago.

 

Oh really? You better read a bit more. The extra 300 lbs refers to the 2wd models. Equally equipped models are rated equally.

 

I'm not as stupid as some may have you believe. I'm well aware the 3.5 produces 40 more hp than the 4.0 and regardless of the fact that it occurs at high rpm... it's there. This means that gen3 with the 3.5 will haul/tow better at higher speeds hence the success of the gauntlet test.

 

Then why argue about it so much?

 

Because I prefer the type of power delivery of the 4.0 L over the 3.5. That's the reason for this discussion. Not to insult one another

 

An engine that is towing is usually living at 3000+rpms.
Again your analogy is not supported, because there is hard evidence to support what I am saying.

 

Diesel engines are not revving 3000+ and neither is my gen 2. I tow 4 to 6000 lbs regularly and my revs are at 2500 90% of the time. If there is a significant incline then it will go into 3rd and revs are up around 3500 until I round the crest. Your evidence is not so hard...perhaps even a little mushy.