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3rd gen clutch life expectancy

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Nw_nomad, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:32 PM
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    Heh, I am also on original brakes and rotors at 90k. The only thing I've changed on my truck are tires and fluids (as scheduled, on everything)
     
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  2. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:36 PM
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    Folks that did the gravity bleed said that they left the slave open and pinched off the feed line from the reservoir so that it still allowed a bit of flow. Keeping everything sealed might have let some air in for you?

    Either way like you said, it should just take a few cycles to get all the air out.
     
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  3. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:37 PM
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  4. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:39 PM
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    Hmm I never thought of it that way, but my intent was to do a proper bleed anyway - so the first part was just to fill the system back up.
     
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  5. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:39 PM
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    Guess I'll try and make some free time in the next couple of weekends and see if my neighbor across the street can help me with the bleed. I'm interested to see the difference in the feel afterwards.
     
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    No big deal since you had it all under control. Honestly, after mucking around with brakes for 30yrs and clutches for over 25, I never heard of a gravity bleed until the ADMs started to happen.

    After struggling with my first motorcycle hydraulic clutch that liked to suck air in even when sealed up, I get nervy about letting fittings stay open. On that thing, a lot of us added banjo bleeders on the master cylinders to ensure any bit of air would rise and get ejected. It is a bummer that the pressure port on the Taco master is not a banjo to do the same.
     
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  7. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM
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    It's all good man, I'm not doubting your experience. To be clear, I wasn't leaving fittings open after the initial fill. Only when pressure was being applied, never when there was a chance for suction. That's why I always shut the bleed valve before my helper reached the firewall with the pedal :)
     
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  8. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:55 PM
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    Do it!

    My main point was that I couldn't downshift into 1st while rolling as it needed some modulation that the accumulator continually messed with. With the ADM, I can drop it into 1st at will.

    While you will not get a revelation in clutch feel, you will get direct action which adds a lot to the bit of feel that is there.
     
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  9. Sep 30, 2019 at 1:58 PM
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    I think we're confusing each other. :D

    That is a normal bleed.

    Gravity bleeds leave the ports open so that fluid can flow to keep air bubbles from rising up in the system. It is an interesting way to approach it and it seems to work since quite a few folks did it. Just a nervy approach for me.

    I'm not even touching vacuum bleeders at this point. Full Nope on hydraulic clutches. :rofl:
     
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  10. Sep 30, 2019 at 2:06 PM
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    ACK, lol. My procedure was just the normal bleed. No caffeine for me this time of day ;)
     
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    Yeah. After about 1p or so, caffeine will keep me rolling until after midnight.

    :cheers:
     
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    DISCLAIMER: It worked perfect for me, that doesn't mean it'll work perfect for you lol!

    Just ask @Shellshock

    I kid, I kid.
     
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    I have an 05 Tundra with the 4.0 and the RA60 6MT and the engagement on that truck clutch is much lower in travel, almost at the bottom but the feel actually feels more vague and there is a much smaller engagement zone. The clutch feel on the 3gen feels superior in that the engagement is easier to judge and the engagement zone is much wider allowing easier and more precise control over clutch slippage. Both these trucks use a similar clutch accumulator. It occurrd to me actually, if it's possible to swap over the clutch system from the 3rd Gen Taco to the 1st Gen Tundra to improve the drive ability of that truck.
     
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    Float the gears ( don't use the clutch)
     
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    No.
     
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    Why not it's very easy !!!
     
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    Interesting..

    Removing the accumulator on the 3rd gen takes all of the vagueness out of the clutch. To each their own I guess.
    The engagement "zone" doesn't really change at all, just that there's no delay after removal. I didn't like that the clutch wasn't following my inputs exactly.
     
  18. Sep 30, 2019 at 2:14 PM
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    Stop trolling. We know.
     
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    Haha!

    I got a buddy who owns machine shop, obviously great with his hands. Hopefully he will find time to help me out a bit.

    Cant wait to do it.:burnrubber:
     
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    I don't think you are supposed to float gears on a synchronized trans
     
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