3rd Gen Concerns

lmfao

 

lol just read all 13 pages.

My only complaint about the 2016 is the price but that can be said about all new trucks big or small. When did they get so expensive. Long as i can go 500,000 miles and keep the truck 20+ years without a huge repair bill I'm happy.

 

Seems thats what you are doing. Do you read the articles at all?

From the Edmunds article posted above yours..did you read it?
Drum vs. Disc: Today
In today's automotive pantheon, it's not uncommon to find four-wheel disc brakes as standard equipment on medium-priced, non performance-oriented models. The majority of new vehicles, however, continue to utilize a front-disc/rear-drum brake setup. What does this say about the current state of braking systems? Are these manufacturers sacrificing vehicle safety in order to save a few bucks by installing disc brakes on only the front wheels?
While a "yes" answer would certainly be great for increasing Town Hall traffic, the truth is that today's disc/drum setups are completely adequate for the majority of new cars. Remember that both disc and drum brake design has been vastly improved in the last 20 years. In fact, the current rear drum brake systems on today's cars would provide better stopping performance then the front disc setups of the '70s. And today's front disc brakes are truly exceptional in terms of stopping power. Combined with the fact that between 60 and 90 percent of a vehicle's stopping power comes from the front wheels, it's clear that a well-designed, modern drum brake is all that's required for most rear wheel brake duty.
High performance cars like the Viper, 911 and Corvette can justify a four-wheel disc brake system, especially if their owners participate in some form of sanctioned racing activity on the weekends. The rest of us get more of a benefit from the lower cost of drum brakes. Expecting every vehicle built today to come with four-wheel disc brakes would require an across-the-board increase in purchase price, and that could stop new car buyers much quicker than any brake system.

Yep!

 

A Canadian perspective on drum brakes..

http://archive.motoringtv.com/bill-gardiner-s11563#Episode_24_-_Disk_vs_Drum_brakes

 

YOUR STUDY IS USING A DRIVING SIMULATOR LMFAO. NOT on 18 wheelers...Do you even read this stuff?

This is your idea of scientific method? They rigged the test so that ADB's arbitrarily beat the S-cams.

The brake parameters were set such that severe braking from 60 mph (97 kph) provides a stopping distance of 307 ft (93.6 m) for standard S-cam brakes, 256 ft (78.0 m) for enhanced S-cam brakes, and 215 ft (65.5 m) for air disc brakes (as shown in Figure 2.8).

I also didn't see anywhere in your NHTSA experiment where they compared or mentioned anything about passenger vehicles. Maybe I missed it?

 

Between rocks and weather, my rear rotors never seem to last worth a shit. Maybe it's something that stops at the USA border .

 

one more time for Blue T...

 

My take on brakes:
Does my vehicle stop sufficiently? Yes.. Okay cool

 

Just paint a picture of a caliper and disk on your drum... You can even paint "Brembo" on your "caliper".

 

FUCK YOU I HAVE DATA FROM A COMPUTER SIMULATOR THAT SAYS HOME DEPOT WONT LET ME RENT EQUIPMENT THAT REQUIRES 10,000 LBS OF TOWING CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF DISC BRAKES AND DIESEL ON MY TACOMA....

Sound familiar?

 

Someone needs to invent a shrink ray so these guys can buy a 3/4 ton Diesel, shrink it down, and throw a Tacoma badge on it .

Problem solved.

 

Its called the Colorado.

 

It's an I4 and still still won't tow 10,000 lbs from Home Depot. I read some Thai site, in Thai because I'm a world traveling genius, that said a RCLB Hilux which only costs like $15K yet carries all of the Tacoma standard features can tow 10,000 lbs. I want a fucking Thailand Hilux but the government and Toyota won't let me have one. FUCK EVERYONE IT'S COMPUTER SIMULATED SCIENCE THE TACOMA DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DIESEL, DISC BRAKES, GALVANIZED FRAME, OR MANLY ENGINES TO PICKUP MY LOAD FROM HOME DEPOT. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

 

In all seriousness, now that I've gained control of my account back from a member that's a bit Crood, if someone thinks disc brakes and diesel make a real truck then more power to them to walk into a GM dealership and buy a Colorado. I hope it works out. From what I've seen in the design, it's a risky buy.

 

All you have to say is diesel and enough brah's will be lining up to buy them.

 

Im not kidding you should see my friends at the track drooling over them like some of us over tacos. Im begging one friend not to trade in his taco for one.

 

Holy ... shit are you telling me you don't believe this study ?

Here is the list of Authors of that study

Do you know what those Ph. D. (s) after their names stand for ? What is your accreditation ?
So you telling me I should believe in your theory, instead of study performed by a bunch of scientist, the study that has been peer reviewed too?


Here is a abstract from that study...

You claimed that there is no benefit to Trucks having disc brakes (And since Tacoma is a truck...) This is study for trucks...
Are you now saying that only cars and trucks can benefit from Disc brakes but Tacoma not ?

 

I'm just glad BlueT found a new buddy to sink his teeth into over a small detail. A Tacoma is a truck and so is an 18 wheeler, so everything on an 18 wheeler study must directly correlate to a Tacoma.

Logical fallacy anyone?

BTW BlueT what does Ph D stand for. Do you know without Wikipedia? I'd guess not. It's not doctorate. It's philosophical doctorate. In engineering, in general, those who cannot succeed in the real world after getting their masters go for a doctorate so they can teach.

 

1.It's clear you dont read your own articles.

1a. You don't read people's responses.

2. Please to explain what you think my theory is. You don't know because you are comparing apples to oranges.

Quoting your post...the study is about investigating the effects of brakes on accidents. They are not comparing the "no shit, real world, empirical evidence " braking capacities of different brakes systems. They are assigning braking capacities from "who knows what", then putting people in a driving simulator with behavioral motivations to see how the brakes change driver behavior and accident consequences.

You have yet to answer to the fact that you were wrong citing your own article about why semi's use drum brakes. you said because of purchase price. I proved you wrong using you're own article so you changed your argument (it's life cycle cost + unproven safety benefit + maintenance downtime).

Do I believe your article? hell no. Do I believe they made research? Yes. Do I believe their conclusions support your argument? Not in the least. Do I believe the article is relevant at all to the argument here? Not one bit. IDC if they are college professors. You set up a study that defines which brakes have what stopping distances, and then test 108 people in a video game where the three brakes have 3 defined stopping distances, and then confirm that collisions were less deadly in the braking systems that had been assigned a shorter stopping distance? Well yeah, um sparky, you DON"T need a PH.D to see how that turns out. You should be careful how you apply statistics.

Blue T your attention to detail is embarrassing.

Listen, it wil come as a surprise to you that there are studies, tests, research papers, conducted all the time by private and gubmental agencies that reach (or rather stretch) for conclusion based on circular logic. It happens all the time so the fact that you found one and posted it up because it said NHTSA on it, and believe it without a critical look, doesn't shock me as it does you.

Cause the government and college professors get it right every time eh?

BlueT, Sweetheart, the answer to that is no. Say it with me now, NO.

What is my accreditation? It's irrelevant. My logic is sound. If a PH.D tells me that the world is flat because he's a PH.D, it doesn't make him right. If a blind man tells me that the sky is blue it doesn't make him wrong.