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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 19, 2019 at 9:30 AM
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    Tullie D

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    ProComp 9911's on my 2007 Colorado. They're 9 inch reflectors with 55 watt H11 bulbs. BRIGHT !!

     
  2. Nov 19, 2019 at 11:04 AM
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    The testing you did was on the latest design correct? Can you provide a link? I've been looking for them but when I compare with your pictures they look slightly different.
     
  3. Nov 19, 2019 at 3:37 PM
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    Yup, I was running Cibie Z Beams way back in 1978. I should have kept them when I sold the car. They're worth good money these days!
     
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  4. Nov 19, 2019 at 6:58 PM
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    Well I'm sure that you're right as far as my 2019 goes and likely other Tacoma generations H9 to H11 low beam conversions. The H9's large metal tab has an offset that's opposite of the offset of the H11's large tab. I've read here of someone managing to get one in but it sounded forced, which means you're having to cock either the large tab or the smaller tabs and force it into the socket (probably bending the tab and cutting into the cast aluminum socket housing in my 2019). The difference in the metal tab offset is quite obvious in this video at 3:39 and clearly shows why the H9 tab should be trimmed at the side with the thinner metal before trying to insert into the H11 low beam socket:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY1kaMRVz8o&t=219s
     
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  5. Nov 19, 2019 at 7:33 PM
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    I'm chomping at the bit to see these results, especially compared to other options out there. I've got the Xtravision +100, but I'm saving pennies and dimes for the OEM HID, because I'm a silly ricer at heart and like the LED look, but I'm curious to see what they actually can do.
     
  6. Nov 19, 2019 at 7:38 PM
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    Installed! Decided to go with the Hyluxtek 35W kit with Morimoto 5500k bulbs - and what a difference! I was previously running XD LEDs, and while I was initially impressed, the lack of throw became pretty evident when I was driving on country roads and there wasn't any ambient light (street lights etc).

    I was initially hesitant about the additional wiring, but honestly, the biggest concern isn't the installation, because everything is labelled pretty well and is essentially plug and play - making everything look nice and clean is the most time consuming part!

    I still worry about longterm reliability, I'm using the optional relay harness, but I still worry about a ballast or bulb going out at the wrong time (I'm kept my old halogens as a backup).

    If you decide to go with the 35w Hyluxtek kit from TRS, be warned they use an integrated Canbus error canceller, which also has be mounted or zip tied somewhere. Using a Canbus error canceller on a non-canbus vehicle hasn't caused any negative effects (yet).

    Honestly, LEDS look nice, but as @crashnburn80 has proved with data, the lack of focus and projection distance is a very real thing. My distance projection has improved by at least 2 - 3 times.

    **Drone shots comparing Leds and Hids to follow when it stops snowing**

    Fog lights are KC Gravity G4's
    20191118_132743.jpg 20191118_132732.jpg 20191119_180140.jpg 20191118_194720.jpg
     
  7. Nov 19, 2019 at 10:19 PM
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    Looking forward to output pics. Drone shots are EXACTLY what this thread is missing.
     
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  8. Nov 19, 2019 at 10:37 PM
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  9. Nov 19, 2019 at 11:08 PM
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    I am always baffled when 'professionals' use the wrong equipment to measure their products output and provide inaccurate and misleading test results. The meter used in that video is a halogen meter and will not accurately measure LED or HID light output and will not provide an accurate comparison across the light source technologies. And no reputable lighting company should recommend a 55w HID kit in a halogen housing.

    Here are posts where I have addressed this meter issue before with other lighting companies in greater detail.

     
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  10. Nov 19, 2019 at 11:20 PM
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    Hikari Ultra "Eyes of Megatron" H11/H9 LEDs
    See the original review in post #1608 here.
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    $90 HIKARI Ultra LED Headlight Bulbs Conversion Kit -H11(H8,H9), Prime LED 12000lm 6K Cool White

    Edit: Yes, this is the latest design at this time.
     
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  11. Nov 19, 2019 at 11:57 PM
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    I think you're using the term professional pretty loosely here. What do you expect when someone wants to spend fifty bucks on a really cheap Chinese POS meter with no published specs at all. Well, to be fair, it's $58 on Amazon. But there's so much else wrong with the video and the presentation that it's a waste of time to watch it at all, but all too many do and think they're getting good info. No comment at all about the gi-normous shadows produces by the HID's he "tested", if you can call it that. I guess anyone can buy and light meter and call themselves a pro now. The same way everyone with an iPhone does for photography. Oh, maybe they are.
     
  12. Nov 20, 2019 at 3:36 AM
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    It seems to be a recurring theme lately - dispute the science presented here because:
    • it doesn't jive with the desire to put in LED's - "Love the color and brightness"
    • "I'm too busy to read the entire thread". More like - I don't understand the information presented so it must be wrong.
    Some of these posts seem like material from Jeff Foxworthy - "If - fill in the blank -, you might be a red-neck....."
     
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  13. Nov 20, 2019 at 4:09 AM
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    Headlight Revolution is full of crap. I dont give them any credibility in their biased poorly conducted testing. Theyre clearly just trying to sell you a product.

    You'll find that you're wasting your breath on deaf ears around here.
     
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    I think you're on to something. I felt the same way about LED's initially ("I like the brightness and they match my DRL, and they look cool as opposed to halogens"), until I dug through this thread looking for the best LED option to replace halogens. OP, through his exhaustive research (and for that we/I thank you), has overwhelmingly changed my opinion, so while I love how LEDs "look", I'm much more concerned with actual light output in a practical sense (They're not for looks, rather for function). Now I take notice of other vehicles on the road who have obviously replaced OEM bulbs with some LED solution that looks bright as opposed to throwing brightness at a distance, and think of this thread. Same phenomenon as purchasing a new vehicle, and subconsciously taking notice of the number of the same model on the road as they travel.
     
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    I was wondering about LED's myself, and have been following this thread closely. My wife just got a 2020 Rav4 with LED headlights. While they look bright from the front, when you're behind the wheel they aren't anything special. The LED's wash out the colors of everything and there isn't as much definition. I prefer the GE +130's I have in my 2019 Tacoma now, much more definition in colors. Comparing the throw and all would be like apples and oranges with them being different vehicles, but I don't want LED headlights now.
     
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  16. Nov 20, 2019 at 8:04 AM
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    The 2020 RAV4 LED's got a Poor or Marginal rating on the IIHS tests, but since they do NOT check for aim for their tests, it's impossible to know if those low ratings are from the design of the lights or from poor aim. And these are not identical lights between the RAV and the Tacoma, it's not a save bet to assume they perform identically. Maybe it's possible to "downgrade" to the halogen projectors in the RAV, if they haven't changed the form factor.
     
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    They don't check for aim... Nor should they in my humble opinion. Manufacturers should be judged on the product based on the condition it is being sold to the public in.

    Tested the H9s and it is noticeably brighter. It's easier to see the cutoff now and the lower than ideal aim (probably to be able to add weight in the bed). I'm leaving the aim stock for now as I may lift/level the truck in the future. Or my rear springs may naturally sag and adjust for me!

    Thanks Crash!
     
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    If you're testing headlight performance, then the first thing you have to do is check for aim. If you don't check for aim, all you're doing is checking the quality of the manufacturing process and on particular part that is quite variable. It's disingenuous to call it headlight performance without eliminating that crucial variable. And it IS headlight performance that they claim to be representing. And to further confuse the issue and to underscore my point, you can go through their ratings and find wildly different performance ratings for the exact same model lights, only in different trim levels of the same cars. Which one do you believe? That's why you need to start from a level playing field. It's a fatal flaw in their methodology.
     
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    Well I dug up my light meter, and sure enough there's less light coming from the three types of LED's I tried. They look cool, but an H9 in the H11 projector is more than
    twice as bright than any of the LED's.
    I'll be waiting a couple of more years to see if LED's will improve further.

    Too bad. On my Scion Xb, the Philips LED H4's were much brighter than stock, and had a good pattern.

    My meter (Sper Scientific 840022) does correctly read LED's.

    Also, my stock aim points were way high. I adjusted to the E-code spec of
    10 meters with a 10cm drop.
     
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  20. Nov 20, 2019 at 3:58 PM
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    I was basically only comparing the light color itself and stated that in my post. Otherwise it's comparing apples and oranges (to dissimilar items).

    They were poorly aimed when we got the car and I had to adjust them up a bit to illuminate the road to make them usable for driving. Again, I don't know if all 2020 Rav4's headlights are adjusted the same way from the factory, but these were aimed at a spot about 30' in front of the car.

    I just don't care for the washed out look everything has from the LED's and am content with my halagens.
     
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