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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 21, 2019 at 6:21 PM
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    Awesome! Thanks for advice! I'll be sure take note of that! I use Adobe Lightroom to convert RAW image formats into JPEG. I'll dial in the drone camera manually and make sure there is consistent processing.
     
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  2. Nov 21, 2019 at 6:41 PM
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    Hikari has several models, so even though they are an H11 maybe you did not use the same model. Or maybe you didn't not have the bulb installed with emitters at 3 and 9 o'clock, as the base is adjustable. These specific ones are scientifically measured to produce more light intensity than stock, and better than every other drop in LED I have tried. If you think these are poor, other LEDs will be a major let down.
     
  3. Nov 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM
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    I stand corrected, these are the ones I tried and returned:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LCE19OI?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
     
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  4. Nov 21, 2019 at 8:39 PM
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  5. Nov 21, 2019 at 10:17 PM
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    Yeah, I was thinking the same. The Hikari Ultras are a definite upgrade over stock.

    I'm curious to see how those GTR bulbs in HR's video actually do. The emitter looks pretty big, but if it is indeed that much more intense, it might do well in a projector as their "test" indicates. It might also just be that everything it was compared to is garbage as well. :notsure:

    Is that the other bulb you got along with the 2-stroke, by chance?
     
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  6. Nov 21, 2019 at 10:51 PM
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    No, the two bulbs I got at the moment were the 2-stroke and the BeamTech. I still need to test out the 2-stroke. If someone had the GTRs, I'd be happy to test them.
     
  7. Nov 22, 2019 at 5:37 AM
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    Oh, right. I think you did say that.

    Hey. Someone go out and pay $200 for LEDs that may or may not suck, and will almost certainly not perform any better than a $80 Amazon bulb (or $7 OEM H9 for that matter) so Crash can test it. Lol.
     
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  8. Nov 22, 2019 at 3:03 PM
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    I do have those latest gen Philips passively cooled bulbs coming from Japan, which should be here in the first week of Dec. They take so long to get here I almost forgot about them!
     
  9. Nov 23, 2019 at 12:43 PM
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  10. Nov 23, 2019 at 11:48 PM
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    :bananadead: I also like how 'flashing' is a fourth color.

    I covered these in the original thread:

    Some manufactures have started to launch multi-color-changing LED fog/headlights, claiming you can now switch colors on the fly by switching your lights on/off several times, and this is beneficial. Unfortunately these products are far worse performing than a dedicated single color LED (which is often already bad), as neither color LED light source is positioned on center, making the origination of the light source off in multiple axis, causing severe negative effects on performance and significant increases in glare in reflectors. No reputable manufacture offers such a product. You can see one such product and how it performs in post #23 here.
     
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    Fantastic thread. Looking to update some of the family fleet as we are getting (cough) old. F150, Taco, CRV. I wish they all had lights as good as my nieces cheap Corolla, those lights rock.

    I do a lot of night driving on country roads. The Phillips bulb gave me less than nine months so looking at other options if available. I was thinking of the DD until I saw this. I did notice that XD is listing “Phillips Glass” in the description of their extreme HID conversions. Is that just marketing or did they go back the better bulbs? Is HID going the way of the dodos and everything is LED, LED? Looking for good reliable light at distance not 20’ from a white door.

    Just trying to figure out a general way to go or if every car reflector will be different.

    Awesome discussion and thanks! :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Nov 24, 2019 at 11:57 AM
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    This thread is pretty incredible... Truly appreciate all of the time and knowledge that has gone into this. I've read pretty much all of this thread over the last few weeks but it is soo long that it is hard to determine what is the best overall choice if somebody wants to use an led to get a better light than stock with the added longevity benefits of led. I'm guessing the OP still likes the hikari's? I get the drawbacks of led bulbs in the projector housing but are they at least better than stock?

    Thanks again! Great thread!
     
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  13. Nov 24, 2019 at 2:13 PM
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    Welcome! 9 months isn't long, but on the other hand the bulbs are really cheap and you could buy many years of bulbs before equaling the cost of a decent LED or HID. But there is obviously the inconvenience of having to change the bulb.

    XD does offer a Philips capsule and their own brand. The Philips version is substantially higher performing as covered in the output charts in the original thread. However, halogen housings are designed for uplight to illuminate overhead signs, including halogen projectors. HIDs being substantially brighter also make the uplight from a halogen housing substantially brighter, causing significant glare to oncoming drivers. LEDs point to the sides of the projector housing and actually reduce uplight, which is also not a good thing. The correct way to run HIDs is using non-rebased HIDs bulbs (like D2S bulbs) is in an appropriate HID projector. The correct way to run LEDs for best performance is switch to a housing that was designed for them, like the Morimoto XB LED assemblies, or the new 2020 Toyota LED headlights, though both very expensive. The best drop in LED replacements I've tested are the Hikari's referenced in post #3 (or at the bottom of this post), though product longevity may be questionable.

    While each vehicles headlights may be different, smaller light sources lead to better focus and enhanced projection in all light assemblies. The effect is more magnified on smaller assemblies like projectors. In reflector assemblies, glare from LED or HID sources is a significant hazard as the reflector assemblies do not have a light shield like a projector, even though the halogen projector also allows a small amount of uplight by design.

    If you want LEDs for better performance than stock, the best option is the Morimoto XB LED headlight assemblies. If you are looking for a replacement LED the Hikaris are the best performing LED I have tested. Again, I cannot speak for product quality/longevity, but the optical design and performance is good and an improvement over stock. You can see all the details in the Hikari post:

    Hikari Ultra "Eyes of Megatron" H11/H9 LEDs
    See the original review in post #1608 here.
     
  14. Nov 25, 2019 at 1:55 PM
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    Update?
     
  15. Nov 25, 2019 at 2:06 PM
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    Coming from Japan, by boat. Due in on the first week of December.
     
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    I'm curious....it still appears that Hikari has a new bulb out on Amazon... It looks a lot like the older one listed above ...
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LCE19OI?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

    The new 2020 one is thinner and uses an upgraded Cree array (XHP50.2 instead of the XHP 50). In the Amazon description it compares it to the 2018 bulb that the OP reviewed and says that it offers better performance. Also curious that it is cheaper than the 2018 bulb by $20. Maybe because it uses a Cree array rather than the Phillips.

    https://www.amazon.com/HIKARI-H11-H8-H9-Brightness/dp/B07XP24CN7
     
  17. Nov 25, 2019 at 6:52 PM
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    They claim the new one is brighter, but the LED emitter is the wrong shape so it won’t have focus. You actually get brighter output in a headlight just by shrinking the light source to enhance focus, which is how the GE bulbs in this thread perform so remarkably well without actually using a brighter light source. That specific new one will perform poorly due to lack of focus, which is the main issue with LEDs, it doesn’t matter if it is brighter than the previous sucky one, it isn’t designed correctly. If looking for an LED, I would recommend the Hikaris mentioned and tested earlier in the thread, where you’ll notice the emitter shape is much smaller and shaped similar to a filament to have better focus.
     
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    So with projectors, the Philips H9 without a glare cap doesn’t provide additional glare? (Due to the lack of a cap)
     
  19. Nov 26, 2019 at 5:05 AM
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    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the projectors on 3rd gens control glare caused by LEDs
     
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