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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 26, 2019 at 9:29 AM
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    NMTrailRider

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    Welp. I trimmed the wrong tabs, internal and external, on my Philips H9’s. I’m an idiot. It wasn’t that I didn’t know which ones to trim. I knew exactly which ones to trim. I just wasn’t paying attention.

    Note: the internal tabs aren’t plastic. I always thought these bulb bases were plastic. But this stuff is like graphite or something? It chips when you snip the tabs. It doesn’t cut like plastic. At all. I think it best to cut small pieces off the tab instead of trying to get it all in one snip so it doesn’t “chip” the material from the rear wall of the opening.
     
  2. Nov 26, 2019 at 10:58 AM
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    I'm gonna make a headlight that uses the Cree XHP70.2 with a minimum CRI of 90. I'll put 2 on each side of the bulb. That emitter is rated at 4292lm each, so going by typical marketing strategy I could market them as 34,336 lumen headlights! Plus, since they have a CRI of >90, I could also add in that they are "The most color accurate LED headlights on the market!" The emitters themselves are good for tens of thousands of hours, too.

    They would set my car on fire because there's no way to cool them enough, and the beam pattern would be absolute dogshit, but I bet I'd sell thousands before the lawsuits started to roll in and I had to change the name of the company.

    Anyone else wanna get in on this?
     
  3. Nov 26, 2019 at 11:16 AM
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    The projector is designed to have uplight to illuminate over head signs, the H9 does add additional uplight. But the projector prevents direct bulb glare unlike an open faced reflector if that makes sense.
     
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    LOL, be sure to use a long pre-order period through the LLC to maximize order volume before people get the product and the lawsuits come back.
     
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    Good thinking! So you're in? Great. I'll start the paperwork.
     
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  6. Nov 26, 2019 at 12:29 PM
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    do it via kickstarter and you won't even need to make an actual product
     
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  7. Nov 29, 2019 at 3:21 PM
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    Great thread here with a ton of information. I installed Philips H9 bulbs in my low beams today. I took a trip around the block tonight and I am impressed with the difference. Took me a few minutes to cut out the tab in the connectors. I had to trim a few mm off of the large metal tab on the collar with my tin snips as they just weren't fitting in the housing. After reading more of this thread, it appears that others did the same.

    Anyway, for $15 I couldn't be happier!
     
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  8. Nov 29, 2019 at 3:46 PM
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    When trimming the internal H9 tabs, I realized it’s not plastic. It’s like compressed graphite or something? When I trimmed the tab, it sort of burst and now there’s like a little hole/indentation in the “wall” between the metal prongs. Is that bad?

    I wonder if it’s better to trim the tab in small pieces rather than trying to snip the whole thing at once.
     
  9. Nov 29, 2019 at 4:27 PM
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    Hey @crashnburn80 thoughts on these?
    I already have hid's in my low beams and been looking to change out my high's. Looks like they're trying to make the light source closer to halogen size.

    H11 LED Headlight Bulbs Mini Sized 80W 16,000LM Per Pair, AUXITO H11/H8/H9 Headlight LED Bulb with Cooling Fan, 6500K White, Pack of 2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WD6G42D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_IfB4DbM6Z36EK
     
  10. Nov 29, 2019 at 4:47 PM
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    I just used a razor blade on mine yesterday.. Also this is admitting the LED's a put in while great on a clear day.. in snow and fog I hated my decision and went to H9's just as bright if not brighter and so much better fog/snow penetration.
     
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  11. Nov 29, 2019 at 10:15 PM
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    I have not tried those, but those emitters look huge though which will lead to poor focus, which means poor projection performance. I also exceptionally highly doubt the 40w 8000 lumen claims, this looks like more over promised Chinesium lies, just like BeamTech. Another major red flag should be price, the best LEDs are not going to come it at sub $40 a pair, it just isn't going to happen. Most all companies claim to try and replicate a halogen, you need to look for size and placement of the emitter, as well as width of the assembly. If you pay close attention, most all quote width of the board the emitters are mounted on and compare that to a filament, giving it far more credit than it deserves, rather than comparing width with including the emitters. Their thin blade style is meant to show just how thin it is, but others that have recessed LEDs like the Hikari's can be just as thin if not thinner in the critical cross section measurement without looking as thin at first glance. In short, I would not bother throwing your money away on those.

    High color temp LED light in inclement weather really sucks for visability.

    I already shared this video from KC in the fog thread, this video demonstrates the difference between short wavelength high color temp light vs long wavelength low color temp light in fog, the difference is non-trivial:

    https://www.facebook.com/110403060218/posts/10157393520645219?vh=e&sfns=mo
     
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  12. Nov 30, 2019 at 5:46 AM
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    Thanks crash, thats why I asked the expert. I have both 4300k and 6000k for my hid's and any extended night time driving I run the 4300k because its way easier on my eyes.
     
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    But they include an L shaped tool.
     
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    @crashnburn80 My brain is on fire with all the information Ive read in this awesome thread(every page). I have my stock projectors and I think Im gonna get those H11 +130 bulbs discussed on page one or two. Is that still a decent upgrade from stock ? I havent really had anything stand out better from what Ive read here , is that correct? The amount of work you have put in to the lighting on our trucks is incredible. You have saved me personally a lot of money , thank you. Im not trying to re-invent the wheel... i just want better than ive got , lol. Thank you again
     
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    I have the H11 +130's. Definitely an upgrade from stock. Buying a set of H9's for when they go bad and will go with H9's next.
     
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    Cool , thanks man. Im not ready for shaving fins on the bulb housing and all of that , hehe. Just a little better than ive got. Thanks again bud
     
  17. Dec 1, 2019 at 3:18 PM
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    I can subjectively confirm that my GE 130’s dimmed a fair amount over the course of 7 months. I removed my first set at 7 months (they weren’t burned out), installed the new set, and they’re unquestionably brighter.

    Are the new bulbs bright enough to justify pulling still-functioning bulbs out and replacing them at 7 months? No. Run them until they die.
     
  18. Dec 1, 2019 at 3:41 PM
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    One reason I went with H9s, they're rated for nearly 400 hours. They'll dim a little but not as much towards their end of life.
     
  19. Dec 1, 2019 at 4:22 PM
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    More than that.

    H9-2.jpg
     
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    Yeah, i read on here somewhere that they do dim over time. If I notice a considerable drop I might just replace them before they die.
     

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