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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Jan 12, 2020 at 3:59 PM
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    That’s a pretty nice solution, I’ll add that to my list. I’m not sure it would be street legal in the US with only the ECE approval. I’m trying to stay on the legal options since I will be using them on the road when possible.
     
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    Crashnburn80 needs to start an auxiliary highbeam and offroad driving lights thread, haha. I sent him a LED Cibie Super Oscar to test a few weeks ago. Others should try and do the same. As he pointed out in the fog lamps thread, these lights add up the $$$ quickly, and not all lamps are returnable (and even when they are you lose out on shipping). He hasnt posted an update but I assume he is still working through his issues with his testing equipment from a few weeks back.

    Theres a ton of auxiliary lighting options out there, and good reviews with basic comparison information are extremely hard to come by. These couple of threads are the best 1:1 comparisons I've come across on the web. Its hard to justify dropping the dosh when you arent sure what you'll be getting (and again, even if its returnable, you're out the time and shipping).
     
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  3. Jan 12, 2020 at 8:20 PM
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    This site has pretty nice pictures of various driving lamps. Pictures aren't objective measurement, but boy, are they nice to look at! The second mannequin below is 100 meters away from the lamps, and every mannequin after is another 100 meters away. The range is over 900 meters (0.56 miles) on this particular Hella xenon driving lamp, and this is with a standard HID bulb. I would love to know how it performs with, say, a Philips XtremeVision +150% HID bulb, or a Osram Nightbreaker Laser +200% HID bulb.

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    https://www.off-road-light.ru/svetovoy-tunnel/luminator/luminator-led-dalniy-svet-ref-40-ff-led/

    Granted, most, if not all of the products here only have ECE approval. That being said, I never had an issue with running a light that only has ECE approval. My state has no vehicle inspections, nor do the cops particularly care about auxiliary lights. I've seen plenty of people running with blinding light bars on during the day....I'm guessing they leave them on because cops DGAF.
     
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  4. Jan 12, 2020 at 8:49 PM
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    The SAE J581 street legal driving light thread is one I hope to complete and post soon, I currently have more projects than time.

    For my SAE J581 driving lights I selected the KC Pro6 LED driving lights, these have a peak intensity of 131,000 candela a piece in the driving beam pattern and are a 5000k light. For the Hella 500/700 halogen lights I was just pointing out one does not need to buy expensive LED lights to add aux J581 SAE driving lights as there are more affordable halogen options available.

    I will mount my lights behind the grill as well. You will suffer some losses due to obstruction, how significant depends on the grill and the light. I've had a custom grill manufactured that has larger voids to minimize obstruction though there still will be some, I'll test and share loss values from behind the grill vs unobstructed in the thread. BAMF makes a behind the grill light mount for the Tacoma, which is what I will be using:
    http://bayareametalfab.3dcartstores.com/Tacoma-Behind-The-Grille-Light-Bar-bracket-05-to-20_p_9.html

    See post #2177 in this thread for some teaser info.
     
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  5. Jan 12, 2020 at 9:10 PM
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    If wanting an similar SAE compliant light bar, you might check out Diode Dynamics SAE J581 light bars:
    https://www.diodedynamics.com/stage-series-12-sae-dot-white-light-bar-pair.html

    Working on the J581 thread soon. The testing equipment issues have been extremely frustrating and royally pissed me off and I am getting no support from the manufacture or the new owners after their buy out, but I have come up with a temporary and highly inconvenient work around to use if I must.
     
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    I had my first opportunity to see the LED performance (or lack thereof) in pretty terrible conditions. Omaha just had some nice freezing rain, and my Hikari Ultra LEDs didn't stand a chance. Here's what my low beams look like compared to the stock fogs after a day of city commuting.

    The first is with the lights on so you can see where the beam hits the lens. The second is lights off so you can see the ice built up. The last is the fog so you can see how the halogen was able to keep the lens thawed. The Fog just has a bunch of salt on it whereas the LED low beam is completely iced over.

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  7. Jan 13, 2020 at 7:07 AM
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    Update on the icy lenses: I turned my high beams on this morning with the stock bulb while the truck warmed up. The ice melted and the lenes were quite warm to the touch by the time i left for work. Unfortunately, the halogen bulbs didn't help clear the thick coating of dried beat juice and salt brine.
     
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    Did a quick stroll through the thread didn’t see this question.... anyone have and idea why my radio goes out with leds?? (from @ToyotaProShop ) trying to figure what’s causing it after about fifteen a minutes or driving. Was thinking of maybe updating the antenna or maybe it’s just their using to much juice ...
     
  9. Jan 13, 2020 at 8:00 AM
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    Hmm . . . Beet juice and salt brine . . .
    Sounds like the beginnings of a refreshing adult beverage ! :thumbsup:
     
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    Except that the OP is actually a lighting engineer FWIW.
     
  11. Jan 13, 2020 at 8:40 AM
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    Sounds like an EMI/RFI issue from the LEDs. Is it your headlights? Updating the antenna will do nothing to solve the radio issue related to running LEDs.

    Nope. Studied Vehicle Design (powertrain, alternative fuels, chassis, materials) not vehicle lighting. Self taught in lighting.
     
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    Well, my bad, you should be!!!:thumbsup:
     
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    If you are set on keeping the problematic LEDs, look up EMI clamp filters. They have solved issues for others though I don't have any specific models to recommend.
     
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    Thanks for the replies, I've added that BAMF bracket to my list of truck stuff. I remember the DD bar now that you linked the prior post, checking into it also. Hope you get the testing equipment issues worked out soon. Looking forward to the J581 thread!
     
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    Ordered the XV2 rebase: theretrofitsource.com/h11-xtr-hid-philips.html?preselect=55978

    Using my ol trusty Morimoto 35w ballasts and a new H9 relay. Any "bulb out" error since nothing will be plugged into passenger headlight socket?

    Retrofit to come in a few years, after truck is paid off.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2020 at 8:28 AM
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    The Tacoma is not CANBUS, so no bulb out warnings to worry about.
     
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    That's what I figured. I had an issue with my 2000 Tundra. It was H4 with the Motocontrol harness. Had to use a 50ohm resistor on the right headlight socket to restore high-beam functionality since it didn't detect the bulb in place. I need to get the bi-xenon harness idea out of my head. Working with single xenon harness on these trucks!
     
  18. Jan 15, 2020 at 12:33 PM
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    Can the GE Megalight Ultra H11 +130% still be found? They seem to be sold out everywhere :|
     
  19. Jan 15, 2020 at 12:43 PM
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    Available on ebay out of Europe. The GE Xenon +120s are a little higher in peak intensity output than the +130, and the Xenons are available domestically. The Xenons are a little warmer in color temp though.
     
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    That's good to know. I think I'll add relays when it gets warmer out.
     
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