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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Jan 29, 2020 at 1:58 AM
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    Tullie D

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    I absolutely HATE driving on that road. Seems that I'm ALWAYS in the wrong lane. o_O
     
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  3. Jan 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM
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    Glad I bought two sets on Amazon when they had them in stock.


    For sake of scratching the curiosity itch what do you think of these @crashnburn80 :

    https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Ulti...ocphy=9032190&hvtargid=pla-569124238719&psc=1

    Claims:
    • 6200K bright white light
    • 160% brighter
    • Lifetime up to 8 years
    • AirFlux heat management design for enhanced durability

    Also has on the packaging that they're "not for use on public roads" which I'm sure if from a compliance and CYA standpoint.
     
  5. Jan 30, 2020 at 1:29 PM
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    Note those are the fog light version, you wouldn't want to run those in your headlights as the output would be way to low, they fall below the legal minimum for an H11 bulb. The higher power headlight version is not sold in North America. I purchased the H11 headlight version from Japan and it is in my backlog of lights to test. I had my test equipment off line for almost 2 months due to very poor timing of the lighting equipment manufacture being acquired coinciding with breaking changes in iOS and a device upgrade, where the new owners from the acquisition did not know how to fix the issues. Fortunately I got everything back working on Monday. I've got a bit of a backlog now to work through, but the Philips Ultinon H11 headlights will be covered in the near future.

    As for the 'Not for use on public roads', all replacement LEDs in halogen assemblies are illegal to use on public roadways. Being a reputable brand, Philips is providing a legal disclaimer.
     
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    Too many pages to look through so I may as well ask...

    Is there a consensus 'best' non-HID light with 5500-6000k (basically not yellowish) color? I have cheap LEDs and I like them, but am curious to see what else is out there.
     
  8. Jan 30, 2020 at 4:13 PM
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    All info is updated within the first 3 posts. For best performing replacement LED see the Hikari Ultras covered in post #3. Halogens will not perform at that color temperature due to filtration losses.
     
  9. Jan 31, 2020 at 5:57 AM
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    I installed the Hella H9 2.0s a few days ago and am super impressed with both the bulbs output and the projectors ability to put that light in the appropriate place. The projectors in my 15 wrx were absolute trash no matter what bulb I put in them so I went the HID retrofit route which was not a great experience. I wish the color was closer to the 5500k of those HIDs but the Hellas are very noticeably whiter then most halogens I've seen. Thanks for your work here @crashnburn80, you should set up a patreon or something, I would love to buy you a beer for your efforts.
     
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  10. Jan 31, 2020 at 5:59 AM
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    @crashnburn80 Out of curiosity is there an "All Season" H11 or H9 available like the H4 in your 2nd Gen Ultimate Headlight upgrade?
     
  11. Jan 31, 2020 at 6:58 AM
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    The All Season bulbs do cause increased glare in a reflector by diffracting some blue light above the cut off. In my testing of all season H9s in the 3rd Gen projector this all appeared to be blocked by the internal projector light shield creating a fairly consistent golden color. There are not any performance all season H11s I am aware of, but there are a couple all season H9s. If wanting to experiment with that I would suggest Lunex Plasma Gold as they are the highest in color temp. You wouldn’t want to go very dark on the headlights.

    I’ll have to see if I can dig up my post on them. Reputable brands don’t make an all season H9. Lunex is an Indian company that pretends to be a UK one. I’ve removed references in the original post to non-reputable companies to keep the data quality/integrity higher.

    Here is the data compared to the Philips H9:

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    LUNEX H9 709 PLASMA GOLD Headlight Halogen Bulbs 12V 65W PGJ19-5 + yellow light 2800K duobox (2 units) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074X1GZMN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_YHdnEbMAKQ1RA
     
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    No need for Alexa to be rolling my windows down or auto tinting like the Mercedes do.
     
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    Awesome! Thank you! As always you are a wealth of knowledge! Doesn't appear that there is enough of a noticeable color difference to make up for the lower lux values. FYI I was curious for my wifes 2012 Fusion with projector fog lights, which I currently have the Philips H9's in. They are going on 3 years so I'm just looking at options as I'm sure they are close to their end of life. Having a more yellow fog light would be more "cool" looking contrast against the HID retrofit in the headlights but I would rather have more function.
     
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    Just to clarify, the Hella H9 will fit as low and high beam replacements in the 2020 projector housings with some trimming of an internal tab, correct?
     
  15. Jan 31, 2020 at 11:37 AM
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    Welcome! Correct. The Hellas will fit, but note the Philips H9s are a bit higher in output and the Philips bulb is what is used in your stock high beam. So I wouldn't trade out your German Philips high beam H9 for a Hella H9.
     
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    Thank you. I tried to sift through as best I could as a layman. Do the aftermarket bulbs have a wider area of illumination than the stock, or is angle a matter of housing construction?

    I've never owned a vehicle with projector headlights and with as much driving as I do on back roads in the early morning and evening, I am concerned about the stock low beams' ability to illuminate deer when I can't use the high beams.

    Thank you much for your rapid reply
     
  17. Jan 31, 2020 at 1:40 PM
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    No worries, see post #2 in this thread for all the updated halogen results, no need to sift through the whole thread! The H9s will provide increased light to the sides, within the existing pattern. They will not change the pattern as that is a function of the headlight assembly. The only wider area pattern that you can run in oncoming traffic is a SAE J583 fog light, but it is a short range pattern with low cut off. You might checkout the latest from Diode Dynamics in post #2369 here.

    If wanting to experiment for fogs, I would use a lower color temp, I was thinking your intended use was headlights thus suggesting a higher color temp. Xencn Goldeneye H9s are a lower color temp diffraction bulb, they spec 2500k but my readings are a bit higher. These also fall into the same brand bucket as Lunex, as not a reputable one I would recommend. They are out of China, you can get them through ebay and aliexpress. The further away from the natural halogen color, the greater the output loss you will incur, so no yellower bulb is going to compete with the Philips H9 in output. You can see the Xencn bulbs have more short wavelength light removed to achieve the lower color temp, at a cost of lower output. Another option to consider if wanting to experiment is Nokya Hyper Yellow H9s, they are a yellow coated 2500k spec bulb. I haven't tested those myself, but I'd probably lean that route if wanting to try a lower color temp H9.

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    Sorry for this quick, probably repetitive question, but I think this has only come up recently - I don't remember the need to trim the metal tab on the "collar" of the Hella H9. Trimming the tab inside the socket has always been mentioned, but until recently, I never heard about the need to trim the metal tab. Is it really necessary to fit an H9 in a Tacoma?

    Thanks!
     
  19. Jan 31, 2020 at 2:22 PM
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    You don't have to trim the metal collar, they will fit without. The metal collar tabs are larger than an H11 though, so the bulb is a little more tricky to get locked in. An H11 can be rotated flat to lock into place, the H9 will need to be started at a slight angle. Some have trimmed the tab to make it easier, but it isn't necessary.
     
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    I couldn’t get the H9 in without trimming, as it felt like something was going to break. Took five seconds with a dremel and a cutoff wheel.
     

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