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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Feb 4, 2020 at 10:20 AM
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    The 2nd post is updated as new bulbs are tested and reviewed so yes currently the best halogen bulb is the Phillips H9.

    I’ve used both the GE +130 and the Phillips H9. I can’t see a terribly big difference between the two, except the GE is noticeably cooler in color temp.
     
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  2. Feb 4, 2020 at 10:27 AM
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    Appreciate the input. Myself being ignorant to technical talk about lighting didn't know if a couple lux difference would make a huge difference between the top bulbs in the chart.
     
  3. Feb 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM
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    Perfectly reasonable since you are talking same bulb format in a projector.

    I've only seen the yellow balloon (bulb cover) for H4 bulb, I haven't seen any H11 yellow balloons. If using a film over a lens with a hole, I could see the heat intensity inconsistency cause issues with the film at the hole.

    The Morimotos are a little higher intensity output on low beam, and a fair amount lower on high beam. The peak pattern intensity is also a bit low in the beam pattern due to the way they have the projectors aimed with vertical spread, when ideally you want peak pattern intensity at the top of the beam for best distance projection. The Morimotos have better cut offs, whereas the H9 swap does produce some increased uplight as the entire OEM pattern is magnified. Color temp is higher on the Morimotos, which some like, but isn't as ideal for poor weather conditions like rain/snow/fog where LED light will reflect back off the precipitation making it more challenging to see beyond it. LEDs will freeze over in poor snow conditions, H9s will offer the best resistance to freezing.

    Comparing H9s to the high efficiency H11s, while peak intensity and distance projection will be similar, the H9s will provide a bit more light to the sides of the pattern than the H11s which will be more focused and a little cooler in color temp.
     
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    @crashnburn80 I think you're right about possibly burning a hole in the film. It's a beater car so if it holds out for a while I'll be happy. haha Plus it will be my first time using vinyl wrap so it's something to experiment with. I have 9006 bulbs in those housings, but the beam pattern on those old subaru fog lamps are worthless. At some point I'll likely get some Hella 500's or something like that.
     
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  5. Feb 4, 2020 at 10:59 AM
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    Thanks for the feed back Crash. Mainly asking these questions because ill be making a 20+ hr trip to Colorado in mid may and I have trouble driving at night. Most of the time my wife drives at night that way she doesnt have to rip the o shit handle off the truck ahah. But other than that I live in the deep south so no snow here, like never. Higher color temp is more applising to me but without sacrificing a ton a performance. Until i get my mod list cut down the retros won't be for a few months. Obviously retro is the way to go but for now I was looking for a happy medium till then.
     
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  6. Feb 4, 2020 at 1:50 PM
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    @ TacoFergie and Crashnburn80

    You could apply a layer of kapton tape over the len. iirc it has a fairly high melting temp, and it will effectively filter a halogen to selective yellow. Surprising durable.

    I don't have pics of it, but I used large sheets of kapton tape over the lenses of my 4runners lamps. Apply it over a wetted lens, and squeegee out the water, like you were applying window tint or a sticker. It doesnt look likeit will go on clear, but it does. Very very similar tint effect to the paint I ended up using later, Duplicolor metalcast anodize yellow. Easily removed as well, didnt really leave an appreciable residue from the adhesive.

    I would definitely try kapton vs a vinyl lens cover, its thinner and should block significantly less light. And definitely kapton or other lens wrap before trying paint over a plastic lens of any sort.
     
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    I did the h9 switch and I am ecstatic about how much more light output these things have. Cost wise these things cant be beat. Thanks crash for the recommendation.
     
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  8. Feb 5, 2020 at 4:56 AM
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    nice, what bulb did you end up going with? Philips, ect?
     
  9. Feb 5, 2020 at 7:01 AM
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    Standard Phillips h9. I think they were 3.00 when I bought.
     
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  10. Feb 5, 2020 at 7:11 AM
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    o nicee, i used the Amazon link in post #2 i think its $6 something but still. That's ridiculous cheap to for the numbers it produces in crash's test.
     
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    I had Kapton tape on my fogs but the state apparently frowns upon film being applied to the lenses so I removed it and since inspection is in February putting it back on after inspection isn't a go here in NH
     
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    I kinda' have stealth fog lights. They're Nokya NOK7618 Hyper Yellow bulbs.
    You never know that they're yellow / amber(ish) until I turn them on. :cool:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000U3TTN6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


     
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    I haven't used Kapton tape before. I looked it up and it seems like its mainly used in electronic insulation among other uses but it does not seem like it would handle impacts from rocks and such. Fortunately for me, Iowa doesn't have vehicle inspections and doesn't care what you do to your vehicle.
     
  14. Feb 6, 2020 at 7:43 AM
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    had it on my truck for a while and it is one of the methods Daniel Stern Suggest

    http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/light_color/light_color.html
     
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    @TacoFergie

    The benefit is that its cheap to use the kapton, and much less permanent than paint over a plastic lens (unless you are willing to polish off the paint and then whatever is left of the original uv hardcoat). So if it starts to get noticeably torn up, its easy to peel off and reapply. Vinyl is going to hold up better, but is also going to block more light.
     
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    Thats pretty cool! I'm going to have to check that out! Is there any brands to stay away from or ones I should look for?
     
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    FYI, they also use Kapton to line 3D Printer beds so if you know someone with a 3D printer they may have some
     
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    You’ve done us a solid Crash...I’m a bit confused what the winner is?
     
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  19. Feb 8, 2020 at 5:17 PM
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    read the first three post in the thread, best depends on what is important for you.
     
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    Has the Philips H11 LED (Japan) been tested yet?
     
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