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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Feb 22, 2020 at 6:25 PM
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    Those have been posted before. The emitter does not replicate a halogen filament like the Hikari Ultra, the emitter on those is much larger, the focus and performance will be poor.
     
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  2. Feb 22, 2020 at 6:26 PM
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    Ah gotcha thanks for pointing that out : )
     
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    After reading and rereading the first page of this plus several other threads I'm confused as to what halogen bulb is the best upgrade over the OEM.

    I thought the answer was to put the Philips H9 bulb into the low beam but then elsewhere it says the GE Megalight Ultra +130 H11 is better or the GE Nightbreaker Xenon +120. These are over $40 for a pair with lower lifespan vs about $13 for two H9 bulbs.

    I'm inclined to the the Philips H9 since it's a cheap experiment. Any reason to think the Megalight or Nightbreaker is really that much better?
     
  4. Feb 22, 2020 at 9:16 PM
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    TLDR: H9 throws the most light, is the cheapest, and likely the longest lasting halogen. Only con is you have to trim the plug.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2020 at 1:49 AM
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    :frusty: :facepalm:

    PLUS you've got spares handy already (the high beam bulbs)
     
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    Thanks. Got a pair on order.
     
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  7. Feb 24, 2020 at 7:48 PM
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    This will no doubt get buried but in case you are lucky enough to find it, I may have a better way to modify the H9 socket for an H11 harness. The videos I watched talked about easily cutting the extra plastic tab inside the socket with side cutter, sharpe knife, scissors, etc. and one said the plastic was very soft. Well, the plastic on the Philips bulb is very hard and none of these worked. Another video used a Dremel and cutoff wheel but that just jacked up the socket.

    Anyway, no idea what this is called, but if you have a tool like below in your Dremel kit it works great. easy to control, small and fits inside the socket easily and doesn't do much unnecessary damage. Took maybe a minute or two. The tip on this one is really small like 1/16" or maybe smaller.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Feb 24, 2020 at 9:25 PM
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    I heated up a razor blade with a torch and carefully removed the piece. Took me all but 5 mins to mod the H9 lights to fit.
     
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    What make the H9 so much brighter than the H11. Just drove home tonight with the H9s installed.
    I am so greatfull for your work!!!!!!
     
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    It's a slightly higher wattage - 65w vs. 55w, likely has a more tightly wound filament which, in conjunction with the higher wattage, yields a higher luminance, with a shorter lifespan in return. They spec the H9 for high beams because of the luminance and also knowing that they don't get used nearly as much as the low beams, so most drivers will never know that they have shorter life. Just be sure to carry a couple of spares in your glovebox.
     
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  11. Feb 25, 2020 at 7:43 AM
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    Burr grinder?

    I have a similar bit, but instead of a ball it’s a long skinny grinder instead of a ball and it’s what I used to mod my bulbs (among many other projects).

     
  12. Feb 25, 2020 at 9:04 AM
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    Kept the H11s for back up. But thinking of ordering the H9s and mod them so they are ready to go in
     
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    Just want to confirm everything said so far. These are results from a Japanese OEM (Stanley) H11 halogen projector.

    • You might see a slight upgrade when converting from well-worn, stock/long-life type bulbs to a LED bulb with grandiose claims:
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    • You might have better luck with a el-cheapo eBay/Amazon LED than a $150 LED bulb:

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    • You might have more luck with a upgrade halogen bulb, like the GE Megalight +130 that's been mentioned many times, or similar (similar does not mean a Silverstar)



    [​IMG]
     
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    These work very well in modding the H9’s....and super quick!

    Very easily clips off the plastic ridge inside the plug and then just crimp or “indent” the steel base with the cutters then grab and twist off the piece.
    Takes a few seconds.
     
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    Revisited and updated with digital spectrometer readings. I'm playing catchup from equipment down time.

     
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    Has there been an instrumented test on the 2020 LED Headlights in this thread?
     
  17. Mar 9, 2020 at 10:26 AM
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    Not yet. I hope to at some point.
     
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    Thanks for posting these, I've been hoping for some time that we'd get some data on here regarding the quality of the Xtremevisions, and I've tried practically every halogen light that's been recommended and always come back to those Philips XVs. Even though other lights have a higher peak intensity/output, these Philips just seem "right" to my eyes in terms of color temp, contrast, uplight, peripheral vision, etc., What's even crazier is the 400hr bulb life considering the output
     
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    Headlight season is coming to an end here in Alaska. It’s no longer dark on my morning drive in to town and is broad daylight on my drive home.
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    I’ve had the H9’s in for about 26 weeks now, and I drive 2-5 hours a day depending on my sales route, so I have a minimum of 250 hours on the bulbs with 5-20 stops per day, and they are still going strong. I’ll be leaving them in all summer, and when one pops I’ll send them to @crashnburn80 for EOL testing (if he’s interested) so we can see how they’ve degraded over time.
     
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