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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Apr 26, 2020 at 2:18 PM
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    jnjoiwings... where did you order your GE+130 bulbs from for $40?
     
  2. Apr 26, 2020 at 4:29 PM
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    Crash - so I had purchased the Philips H9 to put in my low beams (with the H11/H8 adapter). Also bought the GE Nighthawk Xexon H11 bulbs to put in the stock OEM foglights. I have a TRDOR 2020.

    The H9 low beams with adapters went in EASY. However, the housing and bulbs in my foglights are H16 - for the life of me I couldn't get the bulb into the housing without likely breaking it.

    Did something change on the 2020's? Or is a H11 supposed to be a simple swap on a H16 housing?

    If not - do you have a recommendation on an H16 suitable replacement / upgrade over stock bulb?
     
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  4. Apr 27, 2020 at 6:15 PM
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    See my response in your other post . . .
     
  5. Apr 27, 2020 at 8:55 PM
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    As likely already mentioned, 2020 switched exclusively to H16 fogs, meaning the GE H11s will not work. There are no performance H16s, an H16 is a very low output bulb.

    Options are to swap OEM 2016-2019 H11 TRD fogs and run the GEs. Or better yet, look at an SAE LED fog assembly swap from this thread below. I’d highly recommend looking at the selective yellow SS3s from Diode Dynamics linked at the top of the thread.
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-led-sae-j583-fog-pod-fog-light-review.554813/
     
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    I did the same. Took a couple weeks to get to CA from the UK. Going to try to install them this weekend. Finger's crossed. This is my first modification!
     
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    Thanks - turns out the vendor I bought from on Amazon for the GE's is out of Montreal and shipping back (on me) is half the price I paid. So I'm just going to look for a 2016-2019 TRD fog reflector/housing. The existing cable should be fine correct? No adapter needed is there?
     
  8. Apr 29, 2020 at 10:22 AM
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    Then again - I'm happy to sell the H11 GE bulbs to someone here if there is interest. After checking price on "new" housings from a 2016-2019 I'd just assume replace them.

    If anyone is interested in GE Nighthawk Xexon bulbs (pair) - DM me. Never used :)
     
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    Is there a thread for the rear lights? I'm looking to go LED with my turn signals and reading that the rears in particular need a resistor...I'm really trying to stay away from wiring mods right now..
     
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    I certainly wouldn't buy new. You can regularly find good condition OEM takeoffs in the 3rd Gen market place at a much more reasonable cost. Just make sure they are off a 16-19 TRD truck to take H11s. No association: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/oem-foglights-and-bezels.663312/

    No wiring mod is necessary, the H11 bulbs will plug into the existing connector.
     
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    There is not. Why do you want to swap to LED turn signals? If trying to make it super bright, crazy blinding communication lights are not ideal. Using a resister basically uses electricity and converts it to heat to waste electricity in-order to prevent hyper flash, so the LED swap isn't actually more efficient. And the resister is likely to fail before an OEM incandescent. Many resisters are plug and play though, you plug one end into your wiring plug and the other end into the LED 'bulb'. Trickiest part is finding somewhere to mount the resister.
     
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    I just like the clean and modern on / off look.. ...With that said about resistors, do ballasts perform the same function?
     
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    From my understanding, a ballast provides a "boost" of voltage to ignite the lamp (florescent or HID) and then regulates the voltage there after.

    Someone with more knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  15. Apr 29, 2020 at 11:27 PM
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    Correct, a ballast steps up voltage to supply a bulb with a higher operating voltage than the 12v system provides. In automotive applications this is required for HID.

    A resister does not change voltage or provide any other function other than wasting power by turning it into heat. In the case of turn signals, this is done so the truck does not see reduced power draw when using an LED, to prevent hyper flash. So the resister plus the LED draw similar power to what the OEM incandescent bulb drew, so the truck doesn't notice the difference.
     
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    Crash what I'm about to say is not news to you. I'm putting it out there for others to consider.

    Hyperflash is a safety feature that lets the driver know that something is not normal. In most instances the hyperflash occurs when a bulb is blown. So when someone replaces the incandescent bulbs with LED bulbs which draw much less current, hyperflash occurs because the truck "thinks" it has a blown bulb.

    So load resistors are added parallel to the LED bulbs to fool the truck, and stop the hyperflash. Guess what? Now when the LED bulb fails there is not hyperflash to notify the driver.

    For this reason, changing to LED bulbs and adding load resistors is a bad idea.
     
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    Personally, I have LED tail lights to get an amber turn indicator. I'm running the MESO Customs Stage 2 taillight kit. AFAICT, they are brighter than stock, but not to an obnoxious level. I don't have resisters installed, or any hyperflashing issues.
     
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    WOW!!! What a fantastic write-up. Thanks @crashnburn80 for your testing and reporting. Was looking at getting LEDs, but now am educated. The question I have is has anyone tried the Sylvania Silverstar Ultra, Silverstar & Xtravision lights? I can get them at the local O'Reileys as opposed to ordering on Amazon and helping Jeff Bezos to get even richer. Thoughts anyone?
     
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    If you look at Silverstar's "best" bulb, the Ultras, they spec a 4100k color temp. The only way to get a halogen to such a high color temp is by filtering out yellow light. The more light you filter out to raise the color temperature, the lower the overall output will be and to get to 4100k you are going to be removing more light than any other bulb in this thread. It is a shame that Sylvania has such a monopoly with the auto parts stores.

    If wanting to buy locally, Fred Meyer of all places stocks GE Xenon bulbs, meaning Kroger might as well. Other non-Amazon options, you can order the GE +130s off of Powerbulbs.com out of the UK (use the 20% off coupon code). The Hella 2.0 H9s are available at Rallylights.com and the Philips H9s at TopBulb.com.
     
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    Thanks for the reply @crashnburn80. Unfortunately the GE +130s are sold out everywhere so I’m gonna go with the GE Xenon +120s through Amazon. Eventually I’ll also upgrade the fog lights to LED based on your information. Looking at the high beams, I read that H-9 is the correct unit but is there another unit number that it’s listed under?
     

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