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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Apr 30, 2020 at 4:11 PM
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    The GE Xenons are the best performing H11 and outperform the GE +130s, so don't feel like you are settling. The +130s are a little whiter. H9 is the correct high beam bulb, the OEM H9 is the German Philips bulb, which is the best performing H9 halogen. So there is no halogen bulb upgrade for the high beam. The Hikari Ultra LEDs showed a small improvement in the high beam, but to get a real improvement you'll want to look at adding aux driving lights/light bar.
     
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    Again thanks for the reply Crash. I pulled the plug and ordered 2 sets of the GE Xenons. I’m just gonna stick with the stock high beams for now. Definitely looking at the Rigid fog lights mentioned in this thread but that will be a near future upgrade. Cheers! :cheers:
     
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  3. Apr 30, 2020 at 4:52 PM
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    The Rigids were the highest output when the SAE thread was posted, but at the top of the thread there are links to all the updated product releases. The new SS3s from Diode Dynamics are now the highest performing light, and they are offered in selective yellow which is better for poor weather conditions than LED white. Even better is the SS3s have a much nicer OEM mounting solution than the Rigid D-series. Link to the SS3 post: Diode Dynamics SS3
     
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    Fantastic! I’ll look into those instead. Again, thanks for all your work with this thread @crashnburn80. Makes choosing so much easier.
     
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    Thanks for the link. I'm also considering just using the H11 bulbs (GE Nighthawk) in the High Beams - would those be appropriate if I swapped them for the OEM bulbs? If so, then I'll use the GE Nighthawk 130+ there and then buy the DD selective yellows.
     
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    You know what they say..... “You’ll find it at Fred Meyer!”
     
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  7. May 1, 2020 at 8:22 AM
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    The high beam is an H9 bulb, H9s are higher in output than high performance H11s. The stock German Philips H9 is already the highest performing halogen bulb for the high beam application.
     
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    Just to clarify, the $7 Phillips H9 performs better than the $46 GE H11?

    I'd definitely prefer plug-and-play but it looks like you can do the H9s + a harness three times over before hitting the price of the GE H11s.
     
  9. May 1, 2020 at 11:04 AM
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    Correct. Modifying the bulbs only takes a minute with a small knife, but if you don't want to hassle with that the adapter also works. Ideally you want to minimize wire length for maximum performance, and the adapter does add some, but effects should be minimal. The GEs are a little whiter for those concerned about color temp.
     
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    Thank you sir for an amazing post. You have saved me time, money and blinding other drivers. Oh....GO SEAHAWKS!! Big fan since the Steve Largent days!!
     
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    As others have posted, you can use the adapters and modify them. I needed some small wire cutters and got a flush cut wire cutter and mini pliers when I was doing some wiring work. The flush cutters will make short work of the H9 plug tabs for drop in convenience. Got them at Home Depot.

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    @crashnburn80 After learning from this thread that the GE +120 & +130 lamps are the shit, do you have a recommendation for replacing headlight assemblies but not changing to LEDs?
     
  13. May 6, 2020 at 4:55 PM
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    GE has been phasing out of Automotive lighting, however their parent company Tungsram that produces the bulbs will continue to sell the products under the Tungsram label. While Tungsram branded bulbs have been available in the past, they were pretty uncommon to find in our markets. This is the first one I've seen at a major bulb seller as part of the label transition.
    https://www.powerbulbs.com/us/product/tungsram-megalight-ultra-150-h4-twin

    While the popular GE Megalight +130s are still available under the GE label, I'd expect them to start being sold under the Tungsram label sometime in the not too distant future. The product isn't changing, the same manufacture will continue to make them, just the brand labeling will eventually be different.
     
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    LOL, that didn't take long. I checked and these were not listed yesterday.
    https://www.powerbulbs.com/us/product/tungsram-megalight-ultra-h11-twin
     
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    I had the GTR CSP Mini LEDs in my low beams. They got moved to my foglight fixtures cause I just got the GTR Ultra 2 bulbs. The GTR CSP Mini H11 LED bulbs were a good improvement over the halogen upgrades I thought would work in the low beam. The Ultra 2 bulbs, though, are amazing. Oncoming traffic absolutely does not wash out my vision now. The OEM foglight bulbs didnt even look like they were on. There is no comparing a halogen bulb to these LEDs. Not on the same planet.
     
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    LED lamps do not belong in housings made for halogen bulbs.

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    If the bulb is designed, tested and manufactured to work in a projector fixture, why dont they belong?
     
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    Hello Everyone,

    Great post about lights and great work @crashnburn80. I was trying to read all pages but its a lot, please in conclusion and just to be correct, i have three question:

    the best road light for 3rd Gen tacoma is GE Megalight Ultra 130 H11?

    why I will need a aditional wiring?

    what it is the best light for fog ligths?

    thanks.
     
  19. May 10, 2020 at 7:46 PM
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    going to guess you didn't even read the first post of this thread?

    and what does this even mean?
    Did they swerve off the road blinded by your LEDs in your fog lights?

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    I just got the GTR Ultra 2 LEDs. The design of these LEDs is just awful, I believe they are the largest LED I have tested yet, as they are literally approaching 2x the size of Hikari. It is pretty clear the designers of this product have no understanding of headlight optics. This design is going to completely blow out very high amounts of foreground light while significantly limiting distance light, which is the exact opposite of what you want in a headlight. However many are initially deceived by high amounts of foreground light in replacement LEDs as people intrinsically favor foreground light, which is why you see so many driving around with their fogs on unnecessarily, but this isn't how a headlight is supposed to work. Foreground light reduces distance vision, and reducing distance light at the same time causes you to be able to outrun your headlights, which really defeats the point. There is a lot more to lighting science than just making it brighter.

    Also note that GTR is Headlight Revolution's own brand. Headlight Revolution constantly rates GTR as "best" over all other brands making it look like it is somehow an independent test. They are just claiming themselves as the winner, but not making that clear to the consumer by using a different misleading brand name. Then selling a bunch of product based on recommending their own product based on their 'tests' in youtube videos. Those tricky LED sales guys...

    It will also be interesting to test and compare the data, HR/GTR claims better performance than Diode Dynamics and Morimoto. The Morimotos are not a great design, but Diode Dynamics have paid attention to focus and attempted to build smaller LEDs for improved focus, however they are still not as small as Hikari. I bet HR/GTR raw output is higher, but in a distance test the most critical component is focus and it would initially appear the HR/GTR are among the worst focused in this thread based on their size. The Hikari design is vastly superior for focus. But the data will tell...

    Putting drop in LEDs in your fogs just causes blinding glare to everyone, it is dangerous and illegal. The correct way to upgrade your fogs is with an SAE assembly with optics designed for LEDs, nearly all of them for a Tacoma are documented here. They will be far higher performing that what you are running now with appropriate cut offs to not blind others and actually work well in the conditions they were designed for. I'd recommend the SS3s linked at the top.
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-led-sae-j583-fog-pod-fog-light-review.554813/
     
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