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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Sep 15, 2020 at 6:18 PM
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    awwbugman

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    I agree 100% on color, and have been looking for a LED H11 low beam (ideally no fan) that is in the 5000k temp range. That said, I'm not seeing many options. Do you have any opinion on the best option in that color temp range as far as LED's go?
     
  2. Sep 15, 2020 at 6:28 PM
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    I haven’t seen any, Diode Dynamics and Sylvania were both 5700k, but that is still pretty far from 5000k. JW Speaker makes standardized 5000k headlight assemblies, but not for 3rd Gen Tacoma.
     
  3. Sep 15, 2020 at 6:35 PM
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    Agreed, still a ways off which is why I've been holding out on converting. Would these work?
    https://www.amazon.com/KOOMTOOM-Hea...000k&qid=1600220004&s=automotive&sr=1-12&th=1
     
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    Those look quite poor. The price point alone is a major red flag, they say ultra thin but list the width as “.35cm” aka 3.5mm, which is larger than most LEDs in this thread. Meaning poor focus and loss of distance projection. It is extremely unlikely they meet the output or power draw specs, so it wouldn’t surprise me if it doesn’t meet the color temp spec either.
     
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  5. Sep 15, 2020 at 6:57 PM
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    Thank you for the break down. The wait continues, I suppose.
     
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    I feel like I went through all of this and arrived at the painful but also obvious conclusion that OEM LED is the path forward. Painful in terms of cost. Obvious in terms of solid upside and no competitive alternative.
     
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    maybe less expensive to do an LED projector retrofit?
     
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    My understanding is that requires the entire headlight housing swap, which I feel the juice is absolutely not worth the squeeze as far as ROI is concerned. No knock to those who've done it, however not the path that I'd go. That money will go to a long range fuel tank, far before doing that. I already have Baja Design Squadron Pro (4,900 lumen each) full flood fogs and a 30" dual row hidden LightForce light bar that is spot only for off road. The goal here was to get a better light for daily driving purposes.
     
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    Your goal for daily (street legal) lighting is best served by H9 halogen bulbs to replace the low beam bulbs. You might also look into SAE fog lights, as those Baja ones cannot be used on the street. Lastly, consider SAE driving lights. They are legal to use as auxiliary high beams (i.e. not legal for full time use, only when not opposing traffic).
     
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    @mynameistory has good advice, the only thing I might add is to consider the Hella 2.0 performance H9 bulbs over the Philips H9s if looking for a slightly whiter light, as they are noticeably whiter than the Philips without taking too large of a hit in output. The Hella 2.0 H9 review is linked in post #2.
     
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    Thank you for the input gents, I'll take a gander at both of those as they may fit the bill. Not sure why I had it in my mind that LED was the way to go, but this might be it. To clarify, I'm definitely not going to swap the fogs I have, as I intentionally purchased them fully knowing what I was getting and the limitations of off road use only (which I adhere to unless on back roads). They work very well for flood/ intermediate distances and are much brighter and throw better than my OEM low beams. I'm just looking to improve the low beams for DD purposes, as mentioned previously. Link to current light setup:
    https://youtu.be/Jyr0rahXV4g
     
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    OK, so, I was curious and did some quick searching, a long range tank for DCSB (maybe you have LB?) Tacoma is potentially in the realm of $1800 for 32 gallons? Holy S!

    I get the convenience aspect of it but even going with a full set of 4+ large rotopax fuel containers to add enough reserve to top off a completely empty stock tank could be done for less than $500 and be far more versatile. At say 15 mpg, 40 gallons of fuel gets you 600 miles of range. Are you really going that far off the grid that you need more than that? Genuinely curious.

    Maybe there are cheaper options for aux fuel tanks?

    I bet the set of Tacoma owners willing to spend on long range fuel tanks but not willing to drop $1500 on LED lighting is a pretty small group.
     
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    More about convenience of not needing racks and rotopax to cary spare fuel, saving space to carry other things. But yes it certainly isn't the most economical way to carry spare fuel, but it is the cleanest in execution. There is a tank by the same company that replaces the spare with an aux secondary tank for a fair amount less, for those running oversized tires on a swing out carrier.
     
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    Everyone's got different oranges to squeeze. I get the appeal of a LR tank AND great lighting. Wallet is the limiting factor.
     
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    Anyone know where I can get the GE Nightbreaker Xenon +120? The link in the 1st and 2nd post go to an H1 bulb. Are they no longer in production since GE sold their light business? I looked for them under the Tungsram name and can't find them either. If they're no longer available what's the next best thing to replace the stock fog light bulb in a halogen bulb?
     
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    I haven't seen them available yet under the Tungsram label, and the ones under the GE label all appeared to sell out. The 2nd best is the GE/Tungsram Megalight +130. PowerBulbs is sold out, but there are some on ebay out of the UK here.
     
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