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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Sep 15, 2020 at 10:21 PM
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    crashnburn80

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    I should add, an H9 swap is higher in output, costs less and is readily available. You just need to trim a small internal plastic tab off the bulb which only takes a minute with a small knife.
     
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  2. Sep 15, 2020 at 10:25 PM
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    Yeah I ordered the wiring harness to modify and the Philips H9's for the low beams. Would this be just as good as the Nighthawks for the fog lights?
     
  3. Sep 15, 2020 at 10:29 PM
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    I didn't realize you were talking for the fogs. No, you don't want to use an H9 in the fogs, you want to stay with H11. The H9 bulb doesn't have a glare cap and will emit excessive uncontrolled glare. If possible, more ideal than a bulb change is to swap the assembly with Diode Dynamics SS3 SAE LED fogs in selective yellow.

    Edit: Also note only 12-15 trucks, and 16-19 TRD trucks use H11s in the fogs.
     
  4. Sep 15, 2020 at 10:44 PM
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    Yeah I have a 19. Thanks for the info on the Diode Dynamics. They're currently on back order so I may wait and see if they do a black Friday sale. Are the Sports good enough or do I need the Pro? I live in Northern Cali and we get some thick ass fog in the winter months.
     
  5. Sep 15, 2020 at 10:47 PM
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    You can’t go wrong with either one. Sports have a shorter beam with tighter cut offs than the Pros. You can see my review on them in post #2725 here:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/posts/22622437
     
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  6. Sep 15, 2020 at 11:57 PM
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    I strongly disagree, but hey, that's why Baskin Robins makes 31 flavors! :cheers:

    The tank is 34 gallons, approximately a 14 gallon increase over stock, and has been selling for apprx $1,500 shipped to TW members. In addition Be it rotopax or jerry cans, not only would you need 3x 5 gallon receptacles, but you'd need to store them somewhere taking up a significant amount of space. For me, I'm trying to keep the exterior of the truck relatively clean, so that would take up bed space which I'd prefer not to. Not only does that take up precious space, but anywhere you'd mount the aux fuel cans places significant amount of weight (90+ lbs) higher up, raising center of gravity. Lastly it is indeed a pain to fuel, three times over, as opposed to just having the fuel there on demand. I personally see a significant benefit to the added fuel capacity, far over that of additional low beam brightness. In addition, I could reach 90% of the effectiveness of the 2020 OEM LED headlight conversion at a fraction of the cost with drop-in LED's or HID's. Of course this is unfortunately not to my preferred color temp, the cost vs benefit doesn't shake out to me.

    More info on the tank here, for those interested. Apologies for the derail. https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/long-range-automotive-fuel-tank-34-gallon.490548/ BTW I really do appreciate the input on light options, knowledge is king and it helps to know what is out there.
     
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  7. Sep 16, 2020 at 12:32 AM
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    That first one is the same one I found a couple months back! See how they even blur out the AlphaRex logo.

    The 2nd one isn't AlphaRex's version, but VLands version. Same housing though. But ye, China with insane markup.
     
  8. Sep 16, 2020 at 12:35 AM
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    @crashnburn80
    Also, for the OEM LED headlights, is there suppose to be more side light? It feels like there is an additional hotspot slightly angled to the sides. Unusually brighter on my driver side.
     
  9. Sep 16, 2020 at 6:02 AM
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    I agree on ice cream!

    Would you mind helping me understand this statement better?

    I could reach 90% of the effectiveness of the 2020 OEM LED headlight conversion at a fraction of the cost with drop-in LED's or HID's.

    I have read a lot about lighting and the TLDR on LED replacement bulbs is Hikari as your best option. I think crashnburn80 has the raw data now to compare Hikari drop in bulbs with OEM LED and probably already did, I need to go back and re-read his post. However, I’m also not sure about legality of any LED bulb for driving low beams based on recent posts on that subject? The 90% as good figure you state also doesn’t jive with my memory but my memory is quite poor so I don’t naturally trust it.

    It’s also my understanding that HID requires a retrofit assembly and is not ideal for a projector but rather reflector? Also highly likely I’m wrong on some or all of that but I remember coming to the conclusion that HID isn’t a convenient or low cost option and definitely not a drop in option?

    I believe your best drop in option is Philips H9 w bulb mod and 2nd best is high efficiency H11 bulb. I’ve tried both and currently run H11 130+ which are nice and have a somewhat whiter light which I like. I think either represents a cost effective lighting upgrade properly leveraging the OEM projectors and they both are easily replaced if a bulb fails or as part of routine maintenance to keep performance maximized.

    I fully agree that $1500 on lighting upgrades beyond high efficiency H11 or H9 is not a great ROI. But one aspect of that 1500 spend is lower power consumption and another is a whiter light (admittedly I haven’t seen them myself yet so I’m not sure how much I will like or dislike the color) and the last is potentially zero bulb maintenance with significant expected lifetime. These potential benefits are more subjective and harder to judge on a pure cost/benefit scale.

    Also, thanks for the thread on the tank. I read through most of it. I understand the thinking and I see some of the appeal.

    EDIT: I went back and re read some of the first posts. Looks like there are indeed drop in HID bulbs. My memory does not work so well does it?
     
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    For comparison, between some of the popular options.

    Stock @ 18' (623 lux)
    Stock @ 42' (144 lux)
    Color Temp: 3071k

    GE+130 @ 18' (1086 lux)
    GE+130 @ 42' (230 lux)
    Color Temp: 3501k

    XD HID @ 18' (1553 lux)
    XD HID @ 42' (330 lux)
    Color Temp: 3854k

    Philips HID @ 18' (2104 lux)
    Philips HID @ 42' (466 lux)
    Color Temp: 4390k

    Hikari LED @ 18' ("No Data")
    Hikari LED @ 42' (224 lux)
    Color Temp: 6269k

    Morimoto XB @ 18' (1413 lux)
    Morimoto XB @ 42' (265 lux)
    Color Temp: 5994k

    OEM LED @ 18' (1636 lux)
    OEM LED @ 42' (285 lux)
    Color Temp: 6164k
     
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    So is the Hikari led better than stock?
     
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    I believe the obvious answer is no, but will there be a performance difference between factory LED vs. adding the OEM LED via the harness?
     
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    lux alone is not the defining characteristic, which is what this whole thread is about imo. You have to take in consideration, beam pattern, color temp among other things
     
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    Love my Sylvania Zevo's, they dont need the piggyback little box. A true plug and play LED's for your headlights, and 5 years replacement warranty. Made in Italy.
     
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    Won’t end well. Just was looking at these and they call them H11 fog lights on their web site cause they legally aren’t plug and play for headlights like ours cause of people like crash using actual science. 33FA8402-99F9-41A0-8BC7-BC5F59A67A32.jpg
     
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    thank you for helping me get the idea of buying those AlphaRexs out of my head
     
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    I have the sport fogs installed on my truck and live in upper Connecticut where it is dark as hell.

    This pic is with my Phillips xtreme vision +130 headlights with diode dynamics SS3 sport fogs on a dark state road.

    They do a great job without being excessive with other traffic.
     
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    So the DD SS3 pro’s beam pattern is both taller and wider than the sport? Do I have that correct?
     
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    Where did you get your Phillips extremevison +130? I haven’t been able to find them anywhere after looking online.
     
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