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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Oct 13, 2020 at 10:42 AM
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    I never had issues in Hawaii getting my motorcycle to pass inspection with aftermarket HIDs. They were more interested in ensuring all the lights actually function, they didn't really care what type of lights they were.
     
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    Same for me in Texas. They just ensured that the lights came on and didn't care about the bulb type. Easy pass every year with my HID units.
     
  3. Oct 13, 2020 at 10:59 AM
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    Just so much data, i’ve re read the first post several times. I’m not sure what product his testing results are pointing to
     
  4. Oct 13, 2020 at 11:42 AM
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    You know, I wish my province in Canada did inspections. I know people advocate for smaller government, and I generally agree. However, the amount of obviously illegal headlight/tailight/wheels etc make driving here a nightmare. SO MANY aftermarket LED lights in reflector housing. I'm sick of being blinded when I'm working at night. The only thing cops routinely nab people on is front side window tint.
     
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  5. Oct 13, 2020 at 11:44 AM
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    Basically all of his testing points to:
    H9 for lowbeam being the best bang/buck spent.

    H11 GE/Tungsram brand Megalight +120 or +130 for about 13-15% higher max intensity than the Philips H9 in low beam. However, these are 1- significantly more expensive than the H9. But the trade off is that the H9 will put more light throughout the total beam pattern, whereas the + focus rated H11's should keep overal lighting the same, but provide further reaching low beams.

    The rebased HID kits for h11/H9 lowbeam suffer from a few problems, they tend to "bounce" in the housing, they're illegal, and along with being the brightest option for low beam (basically 2x the max intensity of the + rated H11's) theybl also cause MASSIVE amounts of glare for oncoming traffic.

    The highbeam already uses H9's. There are no + focus rated H9's because H9's are already a high spec bulb. If you need more light with highbeams, you really need to look at aftermarket SAE compliant auxiliary highbeams/driving lights.
     
  6. Oct 13, 2020 at 12:08 PM
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    I live in RI, near the MA border and grew up in NH and ME, also near the MA borders.

    I can tell you....our inspections solve none of that.
     
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  7. Oct 13, 2020 at 12:09 PM
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    The more you know!
     
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    And also....public service announcement.....please just replace your $5-20, whichever you may choose to install, low beam bulbs rather than simply using your high beams at night because you’re too fking cheap or lazy to stop at autozone.

    Apparently that is a becoming a common thing here in Central FL, and I can imagine other places, as you can clearly see a low beam is burned out on their car because one low is on and the other is not along with their high beams being on. I will continue to return the favor with my much brighter than your high beam light bar in the hood scoop.
     
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  9. Oct 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM
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    People here drive with high beams on constantly. There's several cars per night driving with them on, despite appearing to have low-beams working just fine.

    Can people not see the blue high-beam icon lit up on their dash? Do they even know what it means?
     
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    Wow thank you for summarizing the data! Much appreciated :cheers:
     
  11. Oct 13, 2020 at 4:50 PM
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    @Toy_Runner summed it up well. I'll add the + rated H11 bulbs like the GE and Tungsram increase the distance projection by providing increased focus to create a higher intensity (brighter) hot spot in the beam.

    Also be sure to see post #2 for the additional halogen comparisons and post #3 if interested in LEDs. Halogens outperform replacement LEDs. I still need to pull together the OEM LED headlight testing into a single post, but those are the highest performing units for both low and high beam not yet added to post #3.
     
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    Yeah, I was thinking that summary was excellent but left out OEM LED as a potentially best-in-class cost-no-object option. But since I'm not the expert I didn't want to influence the judge(s). That and I've never actually seen them so what do I know :)
     
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    The LED package is 500 as an option.

    The aftermarket options are about a grand five or take a hundred.

    yeah a set of H9s is closer to 20 than 500 but 500 for the LED upgrade isn’t half bad at all from the factory.
     
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    I plan on going with the OEM LED headlights for exactly the reasons you said, the simplicity and reliability. I was just curious if you had checked one out with the tuned RX350 projectors. I wouldn’t be the least bit worried about a NY State safety inspection though. I’ve never even heard of someone failing inspection for having a retrofit and I was an inspector for almost 10 years.
     
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    Just get brighter headlights and auxiliary lighting to blind them back!;)
     
  16. Oct 13, 2020 at 7:40 PM
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    It’s a complete no brainer to me when buying new.

    It’s more complicated as a replacement for halogen.
     
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    I just picked up a pair of H9's for my wife's JGC since they use H11s stock per the recommendations on this thread and @Toy_Runner 's summation of the bulbs. Her stock bulbs are pretty crummy (and 4 years old), so the H9 bulbs should be a great compromise between life / output. I disabled her DRLs as they'd definitely kill the bulbs quite fast. I couldn't see spending double the H9 cost for the absolute last drop of output. I also grabbed a set of Hella H11 XYs per an earlier yellow fog bulb recommendation. I run those in the winter in my stock OR fog lamps and liked them a lot. Her fog lamps are not nearly as good as the Toyotas as far as distance projection, but I've had yellow fog lamps on every vehicle I've owned, so it only makes sense to extend the trend.

    To add the OEM HID to that vehicle post-factory is in excess of $2,000 all said and done. It makes the $1,600 for the Tacoma lamps easy to swallow. For anyone buying one of these trucks new, $500 is a no-brainer. I only had the Xtravision +100 but the upgrade from those to the OEM LED is shocking.
     
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    You also have to take in to account that people who retrofit sometimes aren’t just doing it for better light output. Headlights are like wheels, suspension, and engine. Some people save the money buying from the manufacturer knowing they’re going to retrofit. Personally I did the RX350 retrofit and BHLM for better lighting than the stock halogen. But I also did it for the looks adding quad projectors with quad halos and moving the turn signals to the halos. The OEM LEDs provide the best light output OEM, but they still have a lot of chrome due to reflector. I wish they did projector LEDs. I’m also not personally a fan of the “C” LED DRLs.
    With the retrofit, it allows you to add better lighting, but also tailor the lights to your style.
     
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    Got my Phillips Pro150's today, and was kinda underwhelmed by lack of improvement. Definitely going with the H9's next time around, to try and squeeze every bit of light out of the stock projectors...

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    Yeah, underwhelming compared to what I had hoped. You could swap them to the fogs if you still have the stock fogs.
     
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