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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 4, 2020 at 7:41 PM
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    crashnburn80

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    Same as the +130s, but yes I agree.
     
  2. Nov 5, 2020 at 6:06 AM
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    o_O I was driving last night on the way home from work (stupid DST, now it's dark leaving work). I didn't realize the HIDs actually had shake...I went over a bumpy road, I just thought it was my suspension/the truck itself being a little bouncy. NOPE, my lights are way more stable now! Bitchin!
     
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  3. Nov 5, 2020 at 11:46 PM
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    Tungsram Megalight Ultra +150

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    GE/Tungsram have the highest performing H11 bulbs in this thread used in the Tacoma projector with their +120 and +130 bulbs. I was very much eager to get my hands on Tungsram's latest performance Megalight Ultra +150 bulb. Given their performance strong history I had high expectations for the latest generation of their performance bulbs.

    Comparing the new +150 left vs the +130 right, there are some less than ideal differences. The new +150 bulbs extend the performance robbing blue coating much further up the bulb than the +130s, to the point of covering the base of the halogen filament. The glare cap on the +150 isn't quiet as deep as it is on the +130 but overall the unobstructed/unfiltered window on the +150 is smaller than the +130. While the deeper glare cap on the +130 certainly isn't ideal, light reflecting off the back of the projector bowl at the rear of the bulb is going to have greater impact on output than forward escaping light, meaning the filtration losses from extending the blue coated region are going to be more harmful to output intensity.

    Tungsram +150 left vs Tungsram +130 right
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    Tungsram +150 left vs Tungsram +130 right (The +150s are noticeably whiter/bluer, but do not be deceived by color temp in the picture)
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    Below you can see the comparison in output measurements between the Tungsram +130 vs the+150. The +130 is superior in output whereas the +150 pays a significant tax for the extended blue coating, as noticeable by the higher color temperature and lower peak intensity output (lux).

    +130 left vs +150 right
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    Here is a spectrometer graph showing the output losses incurred by the +150 bulbs extended blue coating vs the +130. Pretty obvious with those output losses caused by the extended blue filters for whiter light that the +150s stand no chance at matching he output of the +130s.

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    I had high hopes for the H11 Tungsram +150s as the latest generation performance bulb, but unfortunately based on the data I do not recommend this product. It is easily outperformed by the GE Xenon +120s and the GE/Tungsram +130s, which are the recommended best performing H11 bulbs.
     
  4. Nov 6, 2020 at 5:19 AM
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  5. Nov 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM
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    so still 130 for the win...interesting
     
  6. Nov 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM
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    I wonder if you could remove some or all of the blue coating with IPA or acetone?
     
  7. Nov 6, 2020 at 10:06 AM
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    just checked your post # 2, just curious, is the German Phillips H9 still better than the GE +130? Thanks for doing this for all of us!
     
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    That was recently discussed in the 2nd Gen thread. It can be done, some have used steel wool and rubbing alcohol, though acetone sounds like a gentler solution. See some comments here.

    The Philips H9s are higher performing, but do require bulb base modification unlike the GE/Tungsrams.
     
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  9. Nov 6, 2020 at 11:14 AM
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    great, thats what I have, thank you so much for all of your hard work! Go Hawks!
     
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    I just want to chime in here that the hikari ultra bulbs are a huge upgrade from what I had earlier and probably the best led bulb you can get. That is info from this thread and it is accurate. My previous bulbs were $70 and about 25% dimmer than the hikaris. Listen to whatever @crashnburn80 has to say.
     
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    Not to sound condescending but if you are truly listening you won’t put LED bulbs in a halogen projector.

    The OEM LED headlights are what everyone really wants. Sure we don’t like paying for them. But that doesn’t change the fact that they are what we desire.
     
  12. Nov 7, 2020 at 6:12 PM
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    I am aware of the choice I made. It's nothing like led in a reflector housing
     
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    nope. Too much white for the winter. Too much hassle if a single LED goes out. That’s a failed inspection in any state that does them.

    theyre good lights but not in the snow.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2020 at 7:57 PM
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    The use of “everyone” was probably unnecessary hyperbole. Apologies for that.

    Anyone interested in Hikari or +130 for a whiter light is what I was thinking of.
     
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    @crashnburn80 not sure if this is the appropriate thread but what’s your best recommendation for heavy snow storms for an off road light bar or accessory lighting?
     
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    How do Toyota's vehicles with factory LED headlights work in snowy areas?
     
  17. Nov 8, 2020 at 8:12 PM
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    For heavy snow storms your best bet is a solid performing high powered long wavelength fog light, not a light bar. I’d suggest the Diode Dynamics SAE SS3 Pro fogs in selective yellow. See the SAE fog thread for the full review.
     
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    They won’t run hot enough to prevent freezing and the 6000k color temp will have lots of reflection off the snow. Not ideal for snow conditions vs halogens which will run hot enough to prevent freezing and longer wavelengths will reflect off snow less.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2020 at 8:37 PM
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    Thank you,
    What i am wondering though, does Toyota just sell cars with LED headlights without means to combat those weather conditions? From the top of my head, the Tacoma, RAV4, Corolla, Camry and most of the Lexus line are standard LED headlights on certain trims.

    I know some other manufacturers take some measures to prevent these.
     
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    If I get a chance I’ll try to take some photos for you. I’m curious myself. Not super sure how many times I’ll be driving where it’s dark enough that I need headlights to see but bright enough due to reflection off the snow that it’s harder to see than a yellower halogen and not blizzard like fog conditions where snow melt is a big concern. I will say that the DRL’s on these LED headlights are significantly brighter than the halogen ones and halfway decent on their own for campsite headlights. And yeah I know you already know all that from having them on longer than me.
     
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