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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 23, 2020 at 6:17 PM
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    Rainoffire

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    I asked the manufacturer a while back, for a demonstration of the lights working.
    For the projector model, they do have sequential turn signals. Even the alpharex start up.



    Only if you order 100+ units will they make a custom build.
     
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  2. Nov 23, 2020 at 6:36 PM
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    Yeah, I noticed all three used the same website design. I noticed because it's bulky and makes it difficult to buy the items YOU might want. As someone who has built websites in various classes i though this was peculiar. Thank you for pointing this out.
     
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  3. Nov 23, 2020 at 6:38 PM
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    Order placed. Thanks for the discount.
     
  4. Nov 24, 2020 at 6:26 AM
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  5. Nov 24, 2020 at 10:19 PM
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    Go Hawks!
    Something new dropped off by @Spike Spiegel today.

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    Also, thanks for the beers! :cheers:
     
  6. Nov 24, 2020 at 10:37 PM
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    Cheers good sir. Knock yourself out with the headlights. It'll be awesome to have numbers in the fine print for us foreigners in 4Runners lol.
     
  7. Nov 24, 2020 at 10:39 PM
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    I've not seen anyone here link that specific one. This harness by Nokya linked in post #2 has heavy 14 awg wiring which is ideal. The one you link looks to have thinner wire which will just slightly reduce performance over a heavier gauge wire setup. Although the one you link does not reference wire gauge in their product, so difficult to say how much thinner.
     
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  8. Nov 25, 2020 at 5:16 AM
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    Thank you! I've been checking the ebay link for the harness but they've been sold out for quite awhile. I'll see if i can contact the manufacturer of the aspire automotive accessories harness to get details on the thickness of the wire and report back here
     
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  9. Nov 25, 2020 at 5:51 AM
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    heard back from the vendor

    "Good morning, Thanks for reaching out. The wire gauge we use is 14 Gauge. We can build the Bulbzilla with 12 Gauge but 14 Gauge is usually sufficient enough."
     
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  10. Nov 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM
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    14 AWG is good for this application, sounds like a solid find. Post up when you get them in.
     
  11. Nov 25, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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    I swapped out the factory halogens with H9 for OEM LED. I’ve got them adjusted to level L<->R by hot spot but it seems the left is brighter in the foreground. After looking at it more, I think this is just perception due to the notch in the upper left beam going from light to dark. I didn’t notice this with the projectors. I’m guessing this is to help glare to oncoming traffic? I kept trying to adjust to get this notch to go away but I’m realizing that this may be intentional?
     
  12. Nov 25, 2020 at 10:54 AM
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    Is this the halogen or LED version?
     
  13. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:05 AM
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    I did not notice that when I had them, maybe someone presently running them like @daveeasa can confirm. However, I've actually noticed that same notch in the upper left of the beam in my Gladiator LED headlights though. Which makes sense, IIHS now rates glare to oncoming drivers in their performance evaluations. Without strategically reducing light in the oncoming driver glare point, the headlights would need to be aimed further down to reduce glare which reduces the distance projection. If glare reduction can be optimized into the beam pattern, you can have the headlights aimed higher, to project further giving you better visibility and more reaction time to obstacles illuminated by the headlights without causing excessive glare to oncoming drivers. Matrix headlights take it a step further and adaptively move that reduced glare point to align with oncoming vehicles as they pass and turn on all the lights when no other vehicles are present. Best of all worlds.
     
  14. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:09 AM
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    Halogen. The 4runner uses very odd side entry projectors. While I don't expect anything too exciting in the halogen test results, what will be extremely interesting is to see how using an LED affects performance, since it will have the LED blade partially obstructing the projector bowl unlike the normal rear entry projectors where the LED blade does not obstruct light output.
     
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  15. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:10 AM
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    I noticed something like this without understanding it myself. Pretty tricky if that's indeed the case. Made it extra hard to fine tune the adjustment. I sure wish we could just take them somewhere with the tech who could do it for a reasonable price. It's not the most fun thing to tinker with, I'll say that. Also sort of seems like we should have some self adjusting tech these days where you just plug in a module and find a sheet to the wall and it figures everything out for you without needing a human to mess it all up or level ground and a wall without a curb...

    I might have mine too high if the driver's side is notched and we're supposed to be aligning off the passenger side top?
     
  16. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:14 AM
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    You mean like Tesla? Somewhere in one of the headlight threads I have a post of me playing with Teslas headlight adjustment, you do it all from the center panel touch screen. So futuristic vs repeatedly trying to mechanically dial it in under the hood. They are not fully automatic self aiming like you describe, but seems like a simple over the air software update could change that.

    As to the pattern, I'd have to see a wall shot to help.
     
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  17. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:22 AM
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    These are the only photos I took from my attempt to align my OEM LED headlights. I think I gained some skill with that attempt and I'd be better with round 2 but I also think I want to find a more ideal location. The one I chose wasn't bad but it wasn't perfect and the ambient light was distracting.

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  18. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:26 AM
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    I'm not seeing a notched out portion of the pattern there, just a slight step in the beam. Maybe @ShermanOhio could provide photos of the notch that he is referring to.
     
  19. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:30 AM
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    Agreed. Where I remember noticing/getting confused was when I found a much darker location after this effort where I could get the L to R balance dialed in since that location had a slope from L (higher) to R (lower). That second location was much darker and I remember being confused with what I saw as a notch but I for some reason remember that being on the passenger side rather than driver side. I'm rather certain I'm mis-remembering since there's no point to a passenger side notch and I'm quite certain I don't have the headlights installed on the wrong side :).

    Last night was date night so I should be able to get some night time MAX photos and I can swap to the Tacoma for some good wall shots too. Let's hope for some low lying fog in the early evening...
     
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  20. Nov 25, 2020 at 11:40 AM
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    The Model 3 and Y have the electronic adjustments. My 2019 Model S headlight adjustments screws are a joke. They're made of white plastic and you use either a hex key or a philips head and hope you don't strip them on every turn. I don't mind turning screws to adjust headlights, but you'd think on a $90k car they would at least be made of metal.
    My Audi has auto leveling headlights. Pretty cool, every time you start the car they adjust within a second.
     

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