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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Feb 19, 2019 at 5:00 PM
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    jewboi

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    Anyone know where to find the GE 130s in stock? Best I can find is a preorder on Powerbulbs...
     
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  2. Feb 19, 2019 at 5:02 PM
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    So it looks like Phillips Vision H9 Bulbs have glare caps. I'm interested also. It's gonna be tough to dethrone the Hellas. They have a very full pattern.
     
  3. Feb 19, 2019 at 5:57 PM
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    That will be great if they would because if I remember correctly the H9 connector will fit both in H9 bulb and H 11 bulb.
     
  4. Feb 19, 2019 at 7:53 PM
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    eBay. European Amazon doesn’t ship those bulbs to the US.
    https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/282813182733

    The Philips Vision H9s do not have a glare cap. Did you see some photo of this? You sure it wasn’t an H11?

    It depends on the connector used, the H11s have a larger single tab designed so that an H11 will not fit on an H9 plug.

    H11 left vs H9 right
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  5. Feb 19, 2019 at 7:55 PM
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    Tacosrus

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    Yeah. It was an H11. My Bad
     
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  6. Feb 19, 2019 at 8:29 PM
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    This is so close.

    Hella (Osram Hyper +30) left vs Philips Vision +30 right:
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  7. Feb 19, 2019 at 8:42 PM
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    And . The Hella H9s ??
     
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  8. Feb 19, 2019 at 9:23 PM
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    Philips Vision +30 is about 10% brighter than the Hellas at the hotspot.

    Philips (left) pulls more power at 74.7w compared to Hella (right) at 72.2w.

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    The Philips bulbs typically go for ~$25/ea and must be purchased out of Europe. It can be difficult to find the real Vision +30 series bulbs vs the Standard series ones being sold as the Vision series. This also typically includes long slow shipping from overseas. I have not yet found a reputable source for Philips Vision H9s, I bought mine off eBay and they arrived without official product packaging.

    The Hellas are available domestically, from high quality sources at $10/ea with much quicker ship times. Compared to the Hellas the Philips are 2.5x the price for about a 10% increase in performance.

    Worth it? Up to you. I obsess over this stuff, so I’d pay more for the Philips, but it does start to reach a point of diminishing returns.
     
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  9. Feb 19, 2019 at 9:34 PM
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    Wow. 25 each. I'll stay with the Hellas . About 50 for Four shipped. Do the Phillips have as good of coverage as the Hellas ? That's one thing I really like about them. And thanks.
     
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  10. Feb 19, 2019 at 9:50 PM
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    Thanks for all this detailed research, it's basically what the internet lacks these days, in practically every topic immaginable.
     
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    Does anyone know Powerbulbs eBay handle? Is it MetroDirect?
     
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  12. Feb 19, 2019 at 10:55 PM
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    Yes they do have as good of coverage. The very full beam pattern is due to utilizing an H9 bulb vs ultra high efficiency H11s, and both the Hellas (Osram Hyper) and Philips Vision are competing +30 H9s.

    The Philips bulbs are still manufactured in Germany vs the Hella Osram Hypers that have moved manufacturing of that bulb for Hella to Korea, which I bet in part was likely due to Hella's price point target vs Osram's manufacturing decisions. I still have 2 more performance H9 bulbs to test that I am waiting on, a Xencn (Osram China) H9 +100 and a Xencn 70w 'Off Road' H9. I honestly do not expect a Chinese manufactured product (even from a German parent company) to challenge an ultra high quality performance German manufactured one. But in the interest of the unbiased scientific process, I ordered them anyway to compare, so that I would literally have tested every single non-fully-coated performance H9 on the market that I could find, and my Google skills are beyond Sensei level.

    I expect the German made Philips Vision +30 H9s to be the best bulb on the market. But this really isn't surprising. Philips is one of the worlds largest most advanced and most experienced automotive lighting corperations and a high quality OEM supplier to many automotive manufactures including Ford. Philips is manufacturing their Vision performance lighting products in Germany, the country with a well established long history of building the best high precision automotive lighting products on the market. Philips outperforming the competition in building a performance H9 when the competition is either off shoring production to Asia or a startup status company with limited experience is no surprise.

    Amen. Bringing science back to the internet. :headbang:
     
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  13. Feb 19, 2019 at 11:51 PM
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    Ok, so patiently waiting :)
     
  14. Feb 19, 2019 at 11:53 PM
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    Pre order 2 extra sets of the GEs from power bulbs so I have replacements
     
  15. Feb 20, 2019 at 1:39 AM
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    Patiently waiting. I’ll be buying four sets for me and her Outback when this happens.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it will happen soon, but cannot promise anything out of my control. We'll get the details sorted out and share them here. The 2nd Gen crowd has been all over the Headlight Services harness upgrade for some time and keeps them very busy. I run the Headlight Services harness on my 2nd Gen because it is by far the best quality harness I have been able to find, and it is priced lower than the competition. I'm determined to get a plug and play product built for you 3rd Gen guys, one way or another it will happen.
     
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    I’m sure they’ll make it if they sold the other well.. just gonna be a mad rush for the adapter once it is released!

    I think it’s a smart buy considering the marginal loss in brightness versus bulb life / cost. You can get two sets of the linked Hella H9s for about the same price as one set of HE +130s. Easy.
     
  18. Feb 20, 2019 at 6:30 AM
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    I think that is my plan as well. Wait for the adapter so I can run H9's in both the highs and the lows. Unless the adapter ends up not happening then I will run the GE 130's.
     
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    I'm running the Hella H9s both high and low now. I'll add the harness when available for a performance boost.
     
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    @crashnburn80 Any chance you can post up one of your handy comparison charts between those Philips Vision and Hella H9s?
     

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