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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Dec 19, 2020 at 11:54 AM
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    i8boots

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    @crashnburn80 Any chance the weather is looking good enough to test those xB v2's? I put mine on a week ago and I love the light, but my issue was not being able to see road markings when it's really wet (so I wanted a lot of foreground light). I really want to know if I'm actually getting worse light than my stock lights.

    Also, do you have a really good tutorial for aiming lights? With the LEDs and the sharp cutoff it seems like I aimed them right below eyelevel of oncoming car drivers, and right below street sign level.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Dec 19, 2020 at 12:12 PM
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    Could you clarify what you mean by not being able to see the road markings? Do you mean trouble seeing the stripes on the road when it is wet with the stock lights? I don't foresee the Gen2 Morimotos being worse than stock for low beam, the Gen1s were the highest performing low beam option (though not by much) when they were released before Toyota came out with the OEM LED headlights.

    Weather isn't looking good today. Possibly tomorrow, but likely early-mid week for weather. I do have the rest of the year off though, so plenty of time to tinker. In some ways winter makes outdoor testing easier because of how early it gets dark, but it also rains a lot in the winter to making availability less predicable.

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    As for the headlight aiming, take a look at this article from Stern.
    https://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

    It looks overwhelming, but just scroll down to the aiming table. Use the VOL numbers. To make it really easy, find a wall with enough level space to back the truck 25' from the wall. Pull the truck up to the wall so the bumper is nearly touching, with the headlights on, mark the cut off point with tape. Back up 25'. Reference the table for the amount of drop needed based on your tape mark height from the ground. Adjust to the 2.1-3" drop from your tape mark depending on the table.
     
  3. Dec 19, 2020 at 12:59 PM
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    @crashnburn80 What I meant was that when it's night and really wet I have a hard time seeing the stripes on the road. It was wet last night when I was driving around with the V2's that they seem to be doing a lot better than stock for this, so I'm happy with that part so far. In Utah we don't get reflective bubbles / tabs like they do in Cali or other states because the snowplows would just break them off every winter.
     
  4. Dec 19, 2020 at 1:34 PM
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    Okay y’all. Buckle up!

    I got these.

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    I figured they are H9 extensions so they’ll work on an H9 bulb. How wrong I was. That notch doesn’t carry all the way through. So, I had to take a utility knife and score the channel and then slice into it to make it look like this.

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    Long of the short, the extensions are not PNP, they’ll need to be cut. However, now I can swing by any store and get any H9 and they’ll drop right in. No modifications needed on a continuous basis, just one, today. In the cold because I didn’t know it would be needed and didn’t want to deal with returns and whatnot so I figured F it. It’s going in.

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    Fogs are the cheap o H11s, lows are the hella H9 yellows.

    waiting for the sun to go down and then I’ll take it for a spin. But as far as initial impressions, I am very happy!
     
  5. Dec 19, 2020 at 1:56 PM
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    Have you considered a good set of fog pattern lights? Everything you need to know is here:

    The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review | Tacoma World

    Spoiler: Just buy the Diode Dynamics SS3 Sports. Quite possibly the best deal on the planet. If you want even more performance, step up to the Pro or Max models.
     
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  6. Dec 19, 2020 at 2:06 PM
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    It's strange that h4 has a lifetime of 400h, but the H7 has only 250h.
     
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  7. Dec 19, 2020 at 3:29 PM
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    That is interesting. It does look like the GT200 H7 did improve lift in the over the Racing Vision +150 H7, which was rated at 200 hours, but the life improvement isn't as great as the H4.
     
  8. Dec 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
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    i have been planning a blackout headlight mod for a while, but following this thread has really changed my perspective. originally, i was looking into a bi-xenon retrofit but recently settled on an all-led build:
    mori m led 2.0 projector retrofit and mori 2 stroke in the high bowl, but only used for highbeam. jdm astar amber turn bulbs, dd switchback drl boards, and meso sidemarkers. i have also been considering a dual-projector, bi-led solution (2 projectors per housing, each with high/low beam) but idk if i could pull it off. i even started gathering some of the parts for the mod...

    after seeing crash's tests on the 2020 oem led housing, it seems like a no-brainer to go that route instead of trying to retrofit everything. if the mori xb performs close to oem or better, i am definitely going that route. i like the idea of switchback turn signals and meso sidemarker, so i might still be modifying the housing just not as extensively as i had planned

    i value aesthetic nearly as much as performance, but if anyone here has any feedback on my ideas i would gladly welcome it. it's been many years since i have done a full housing mod like this
     
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    First post on TW ever...go easy. 203 pages is a lot to read on headlights. My '18 TRD is stock and I don't have time for a master's dissertation on headlights. Roast me if you need to, just being honest.

    For the never-modded-anything people (me) which headlights will give me the easiest, most reliable low beam upgrade versus the OEM bulbs I currently have? Philips H9s correct? Do they come in the superior, ultra, standard like the H11s do?

    Thanks and Merry Christmas.
     
  10. Dec 21, 2020 at 12:28 PM
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    Just one option for them. Best and basically easiest upgrade!

    Philips 12361B1 H9 Standard Halogen Replacement Headlight Bulb, 1 Pack https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B003YMP...i_glc_fabc_tvq4FbCX215PC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
     
  11. Dec 21, 2020 at 12:29 PM
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    Thank you. That was easy.
     
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    Yes Philips H9 but they require the tiniest of effort to modify for using in low beams.

    The best halogen alternative to H9 are the GE xenon +120 (Walmart apparently has them for some strange reason) followed closely by the Tungsram +130 from power bulbs. Often people order two pair of the high efficiency bulbs as lifetime and availability are reduced compared to H9.

    I have +130 and H9 and am really on the fence on preference. I like the whiter color of +130 but for max visibility I prefer max intensity / output. I found the bulb mod more than a trivial 3 min job but in retrospect not that big of a deal, I did two pairs at the same time so I’m ready if one burns out.
     
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    Yes, you MUST modify slightly.
     
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    See my post about modifications. I got the pig tail so that I wouldn't have to mod. Then I did have to mod, BUT I modded the connector instead of the bulb. Now, I can go to any walmart auto zone oreilly whatever and get a set of H9s and pop them in no fuss, since I have a modified connector instead of the bulbs each time.
     
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    Out of curiosity, are the road lines reflective or just painted? I feel like the LED's should make anything reflective "pop" more so than halogen, you know?
     
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    They are supposed to be reflective paint, but in areas where there has recently been a lot of construction and things aren't "finished" they use cheaper paint and it's harder to see things.

    Also older roads that haven't been painted in a while suck.

    These XBv2's definitely make the lines easier to see, I just, you know, want to make sure I didn't get an inferior product by getting the V2s over the V1's.
     
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    Gotcha, that's fair. I'm hoping Crash will conduct his test and the results will be favorable. If I could get say, 85% of OEM output for 60% of the cost of OEM, I'd be willing to make that trade off.
     
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  18. Dec 22, 2020 at 9:28 AM
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    I bought some of the hikari ultra leds for my low beams and they are an improvement. Also put them in my high beams and that was a waste of money. Stock h9 is bright enough as is.
     
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    The M LED 2.0’s are supposed to be excellent projectors. I haven’t found anything definitive comparing them to the projectors in the XB headlights but I have a feeling the M LED is superior.

    I’m currently debating a rx350 based HID retrofit or M LED 2.0 retrofit, either would be with a dedicated LED high beam projector in place of the stock high beam. If I were going with a full housing I’d definitely go OEM unless the morimoto outperforms it but I’m a function first guy.

    I don’t think you can go wrong with any of these options. Really it comes down to what you want to spend.

     
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    even if the xb under-performs the oem by 20%, i think the benefit is that you could still retrofit the m led. my understanding is that the oem led is currently the best performing led assembly (tested) but you get what you get. there is not much capability for modifications. i'm really leaning toward the xb gen 2 at this point. guess i am just waiting on a sale

    i've been told that the rx350 projector is being "phased out" because recent aftermarket projector assemblies are providing similar performance at a cheaper price
     

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