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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Jan 12, 2021 at 8:07 AM
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    9TRDTCO

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    Currently running XD 4300k HID bulbs, love the output hate the color. From what I’m seeing on this thread Philips is the way to go. Will be looking for some 6000k, anyone know where I can find them for a decent price?
     
  2. Jan 12, 2021 at 10:52 AM
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    Note that you have a 2020 which has the low performing H16 fogs. There are no bulb upgrades for H16 as the bulb is low in output and no companies bother making a performance bulb in that base. 16-19 TRD 3rd Gens had the high performing H11 fogs, same bulb as the headlights. There there are bulb upgrade options like those listed in the thread, the Tungsram Nighthawk Xenon +120. So you could look to swap your assemblies for some used TRD H11 ones from the marketplace section as people often sell them for cheap. However, the higher performing option is to go with an SAE LED assembly as mentioned, like the Diode Dynamics SS3s. You can get far greater output in a more ideal selective yellow using the SS3s.

    4300k is the natural HID color, and the best performing option for HID. Going to high color temps reduces output in HID. If you are running these in OEM headlights, note that Philips doesn't make any H11 HID bulbs. Some brands rebase a Philips HID capsule onto an H11 base to sell at a premium for best output (like XD). I haven't seen any Philips HID capsules that are 6000k, I believe their whitest is their WhiteVision 5000k line. So there will not be any rebased 6000k Philips bulbs (and if you see some they are most likely fake), and I haven't seen anyone offer the WhiteVisions as a rebased H11 either. If you want quality legitimate HID capsule options, you really need to do a retrofit to a proper HID platform like D2S. Then you could run Osram's Cool Blue 6000k if that was the direction you wanted to go. But 6000k is a pretty poor output color.

    Also note that running HIDs in halogen projectors causes excessive blinding uplight, the projector is designed to have a halogen level light source and allow a portion of light above the horizon. You'll notice this as boxes above the cut off when you pull up to a wall. However because HID is so much brighter, and those uplight are not designed for the vastly brighter light source, they allow too much light above the horizon, making it blinding for oncoming drivers. If wanting to go HID, a proper retrofit is the way to go using a legitimate HID platform such as D2S and preferably OEM grade projectors like that from the RX350.
     
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    @crashnburn80 , any updates regarding the Gen2 XB headlights? I've got some stimulus money burning a hole in my pocket lmfao! :rofl:
     
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  4. Jan 12, 2021 at 2:44 PM
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    Have you been able to test this yet? I'm curious how it compares to the Taco headlamps.
     
  5. Jan 12, 2021 at 3:51 PM
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    Sorry to ask for clarity but us 2020 owners have a different bulb than say 2019. I missed that somewhere in the thread. I wanted to upgrade my driving lights but the only option is a new light assembly altogether. What do you recommend? I ask because you are the authority on this and I know nothing. I appreciate the work you have put in not to mention the time. You mention DD SS3, are they the best for the dollar or is there another that you would recommend?
     
  6. Jan 12, 2021 at 4:03 PM
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    ^^ So first my apologies to @Linkscoach as I am not as up to date on 2020+ and up and per crash you have H16. I had assumed your truck had H11 and that you would have options for bulbs.

    I do want to mention that there is extensive discussion in the fog light thread of your options for replacement LED fog lights and I'll refrain from further comment on that in hopes that we might meet up on that thread to continue the conversation :)
     
  7. Jan 12, 2021 at 11:21 PM
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    I'm trying to find these
    GE Megalight Ultra +130, but it seems like everyone is out of stock. Did they discontinue them? If so, what is the new version or what would be the 2nd choice to replace a 2009's H4s?
     
  8. Jan 12, 2021 at 11:31 PM
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    go back through the thread, I think Crash said Wallmart.com has them
     
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    The 150 was reviewed by crash. It was marginally better if I recall? Perhaps not worth the extra cost.
     
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    Walmart had +120’s which are rated #1. Finding +130’s appears to be a challenge these days.

    I believe there are two +150’s, a Philips and a Tungsram. I don’t believe either outperforms +120 or +130 but I might have missed a review.

    Any of the above may be incorrect, it’s all off memory which in my case is DRAM rather than NVRAM :)
     
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    Just checked walmart. All they have is the +90s. And the 120s seems to be unobtainium anywhere as well.

    Don't know what to buy now....
     
  14. Jan 13, 2021 at 1:49 PM
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    Best bet is hack some Philips H9’s
     
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    Don't think I can do this as I have a 2009 with H4 bulbs.
     
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    The Philips +100 H4’s are a phenomenal bulb in your reflector housings. You’ll be amazed.
     
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    Ah shoot, you know there is a thread for 2nd gen right? You want a harness and some H4’s. Tons of choices and they outperform 3rd gen projectors too, just make sure you get a harness too.

    Also, if you set up your profile with your truck it helps us give advice instead of suggesting H11 for 2nd gen :)
     
  18. Jan 13, 2021 at 5:00 PM
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    Diode Dynamics SS3 fog lights are really nice. I upgraded about a month ago to the SS3 sports in yellow/amber, they actually call them amber to me looks more yellow. They were a good improvement over the stock 2020 fog lights that I had yellow Lamin-x films on. The light output is much improved. If you have the budget to spend more the pro version might be worth checking out.

    Crash seems to know what is good.
    I did get LED low beams and I like the Hikari ultras but in hind sight the H9 hack would probably made me happy.
     
  19. Jan 13, 2021 at 5:55 PM
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    and check out daveeasa's sweet plot of some of the gen 2 choices on post #3787 in this thread
     
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    I need to sleep on this to let my brain process what it has just experienced. What an excellent post.
     

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