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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Feb 17, 2021 at 9:39 PM
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    crashnburn80

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    Yep. Linked in post #3 comparing OEM LEDs. OEM LED has superior high and low beam and is the best performing option, though an H9 swap gets huge gains for minimal cost.
     
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    Same thing happend to me with the bosch gigalight 120 after a week of use (which is said to be identical to the ge). I then peeled the cap with a napkin as much as I could before reinstalling it and hoped that the residue did not damaged the projector. I have used a lot of high performance bulbs from philips and osram and never had this issue.
    Has anyone tested the new hikari 2021 acme leds? Are they the successor to the hikari ultra?
     
  3. Feb 18, 2021 at 1:13 AM
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    Yes, the Alpharex LUXX series now have 4 LED emitters. Perfect time too, just saw that Meso took apart one to mod. It still has only one LED emitter for the high beam.
    Screenshot_20210218-190445.jpg

    So
    VLAND version is 3 LED emitters
    Alpharex LUXX is 4 LED emitters
    OEM LED is 5 LED emitters
     
  4. Feb 18, 2021 at 6:03 AM
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    To be fair. The Nighthawks aren't the same as the Tungsram Megalight Ultra. I don't understand why we get shafted by crappy bulb quality in the US forcing us (nerds like us who research everything to death to find the best products we can) to purchase quality bulbs from another country.
     
  5. Feb 18, 2021 at 7:32 AM
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    Is there a new thread from Meso about taking these apart / the project? I couldn't find one by searching or checking their Instagram.
     
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    i think he said he is modding oem led assemblies, not alpharex
     
  7. Feb 18, 2021 at 8:58 AM
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    Just put in my DD ss sports for the fogs and they look great. It was a pain in the ass to put in. Idk how much better they are than stock but they are def brighter that's for sure.
     
  8. Feb 18, 2021 at 11:11 AM
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    @TravisMD (from fog thread)

    You want Philips H9 as referenced in post 1 links for purchase, some have done Rock Auto which has the best pricing but higher shipping so buying 4 is cheaper that way, or one pair off Amazon which I think is slightly less than Rock Auto after shipping?

    Then tab trimming (discussed maybe a dozen pages back in fine detail) using a knife for the plastic tab and cutters or knife for the metal tab if you so choose, shouldn't be needed, some wimps like me prefer to just do it to make life easy while we have the knives out.
     
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    I'm not sure it make a difference but the Rock Auto H9s appear to be Chinese made while the Amazon H9s are German.

    I ordered Wagner 9011s for my high beams and after shipping from Rock Auto the price difference from Amazon was minor.
     
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    I bought two sets of Phillips H9 at Rockauto, both sets were German made. The cost last pair, $15.77 tax and shipping included.

    Check it out, Robert
     
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  11. Feb 18, 2021 at 11:45 AM
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    Good to know! Their pictures show Chinese so that's awesome.
     
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    I bought my first set of Philips German made H9s from Amazon, just picked up a spare set from Rock auto, also German Made. Rock Auto I think was roughly 3 to 4 bucks cheaper.
     
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    I remember seeing AlphaRex boxes in the background of his original story on IG. I think he’s modding the Luxx lights.

    edit: I just noticed in the picture posted, Meso tags AlphaRex.
     
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    I reached out to Meso about it and they suspected it was temperature related, as well. Hopefully once this polar vortex lifts, I’ll be able to see if they’re back to regular operation or if they’re pooched for good.
     
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    Interesting. I'd be open to put it in the queue if someone wanted to lend me one. I'm aware of his S1 retros, would certainly improve the horrible AlphaRex high beam performance.

    Philips doesn't distinguish country of manufacture in the bulb part number, meaning any reseller can end up with either when placing an order. Doesn't matter if it is Amazon or RockAuto, however the difference between the two in terms of output seems to be minimal.
     
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    He tagged Alpharex in the story.
    The OEM LEDs have 5 low beam emitters and 2 high beam emitters per side, Alpharex only have 4 low and 1 high emitters.
     
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    He hasn't posted about it on his feed, saw this one on his Instagram story.
     
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    Interesting, the XB v2 now use all 3 for low, and the inside 2 for high. They're also still using @MESO's truck as one of their demo shots.
     
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    @crashnburn80 I think I remember you from the Mercedes Benz forums/lists 20 years ago. Based on your recommendations, I switched to Euro code headlights on my W124 instead of overdriving U.S.-spec housings. Time flies!

    I recently ordered a TRD Sport but omitted the LED headlights. The glare from late model cars, Toyotas included, is horrendous, and no one in the industry seems to be pushing back on this trend. I thought the "bluish" (4300k) OEM HIDs were bad when they first appeared on high-end cars, but they were mild compared to today's LEDs that mimic daylight on Venus.

    I find the blue emission spike in white LEDs not useful, but rather a hindrance, to night driving due to pupil contraction and scattering/refraction artifacts. I have no issues whatsoever with halogens. I see little justification for 6000k+ CCT other than vanity and cost savings (since high CCT == less phosphor required). I wish the industry would standardize (or be regulated) toward emissions spectra (in turn, CCTs) that improve night driving both for the operator and others on the road.

    Night driving (mesopic) vision is not exactly helped by high-energy 400-450nm light, yet high CCT LED light contains a large portion in this range. In fact, sensitivity peaks above 500 nm (green/cyan), smack in the spectral gap of a white LED! In other words, white LEDs are most deficient where night driving vision is most sensitive, then add a dose of injurious short-wavelength light that halogens lack.

    I think that, when comparing headlamp performance, we need another measure similar to lux but calibrated for mesopic vision (as would be encountered in night driving) with added negative weighting in the high-energy spectrum to account for physiological effects.

    What do you think?
     
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  20. Feb 19, 2021 at 6:14 PM
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    Da fuq
     
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