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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. May 6, 2021 at 8:54 AM
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    crashnburn80

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    I no longer have the OEM LEDs for a side-by-side comparison. The OEM LEDs are definitely superior though, and have higher peak intensity than any replacement LED or performance halogen in the OEM halogen assemblies.

    Thanks for catching that. Fixed!

    No, these will not be marketed or sold stateside. Since replacement LED headlights are not legal in the US, and NHSTA has been cracking down on replacement LED headlights sold domestically for street use as illegal products forcing mandatory recalls, big name manufactures have just decided to not sell these products in the US.

    I got them out of the UK on ebay, which was the first place I was able to find them that wasn't based out of Russia. They were about $195.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/233973905973

    Also! Be careful when ordering, there is a lower output foglight version as well, designated FL vs HL.
     
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  2. May 6, 2021 at 10:26 AM
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    Thanks both!

    I'll reconsider these when they go sub-$100 :p
     
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    Great review! thanks Ryland. I really like Philips lighting ever since I ran their first LED H4 bulbs in my 85 Toy PU(9 years ago), Really fantastic output from the 200mm H4 Buckets.

    I'm glad this was not a total waste of money for you(thanks agian). For now I'm sticking with the H9 bulbs, until Philips can pull a larger Rabbit out of it's hat.:thumbsup:
     
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    Did not want this to get lost!

    can I assume that would be $10 shipped?
     
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    Yes, exactly. That hopefully allows me to get out of the red on the deal within a year which seems reasonable. First class in a padded envelope with tracking. I’ll post a link to the BST thread once I receive them.
     
  6. May 6, 2021 at 6:29 PM
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    Added a few more notes to the Philips LED review. Also of interest, those units had integrated drivers like the latest Hikaris. Driver technology must have significantly improved recently or substantially benefitted from being fan cooled to offset the performance penalty of being mounted on the LED. Might have to go back and give the latest Hikaris another look.
     
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  7. May 6, 2021 at 9:17 PM
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    I assume led bulbs as turn signals are as bad as any other led in reflectors?
     
  8. May 6, 2021 at 9:50 PM
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    Depends on the bulb design and the design of the signal assembly, so there isn’t a one size fits all answer. Scatter isn’t an issue like a low beam or fog, since signals are more flood like. But visibility can be a concern, LEDs do not provide uniform output like an incandescent, so visibility might be good from one angle but possibly not others. And in direct daylight sometimes they can appear dimmer than stock since the assembly isn’t fully uniformly lit to the same level. Some companies will try to compensate by boosting output to extreme levels, but then just end up with blinding signals at night, so that isn’t good either.

    Signals are also difficult with the hyper flash issues. Sometimes you can replace the flasher module with one designed for lower power draw LEDs, but often the solution is to add resisters. Resisters waste energy by turning it into heat by getting hot, and effectively will often burn themselves out. So you don’t end up reducing power usage and introduce failure prone resisters. You’ve then lost the LED advantage of both lower power draw and improved reliability. Which then begs the question, why? The OEM signals should last 8+ years easy, so there isn’t a good longevity argument either. IMO LED retrofit bulbs in the signals are more trouble than they are worth, with no advantage. Compared to a brake light application for example where faster LED illumination response might buy that extra critical split second savings in communication to the vehicle behind you without having to deal with resisters and hyper flash, though the earlier comments on light uniformity still apply.
     
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    That will be nice.
    About the philips test. Where does the hotspot locate? Is it near the cut off like the halogen? If lower, how much lower than the halogen?
     
  10. May 6, 2021 at 10:47 PM
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    It is lower than a halogen. I should have taken a pic of the peak intensity location. What I really need to do for better quantitative data is setup the 42’ test and try the 3 leading replacement LEDs and note the hot spot drop distance from the cut off line.
     
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    I can think of one other fun thing to test at 42' :)
     
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    Just one? ;)

    What are, the latest 2nd Gen Morimoto LED assemblies? For $900.

    Arriving tomorrow.

    But! You likely meant those other assemblies in the boxes in my garage. :)
     
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    Yep, you got me. The 2nd gen is far more interesting to Tacoma owners. I'm curious on that one too, will they pull a Phillips out of their hat or fall on their face like the bartender when she crushed a pint glass all over my wife tonight? You just gotta wonder, there's no sure bet these days...
     
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    going to check on my Amazon adapters and pop off my plastic covers this morning!
     
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    well that was stupid easy.

    Amazon adapters looked ok, the green plastic caps pop right off, including across the garage.
     
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    Thinking about this, it makes perfect sense.
    Mass production of a single connector for multiple bulb types.
    Insert specific cap for specified bulb type.
     
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    The theory on melted plastic is a loose connection due to poor socket quality/fit. Leading to increased resistance over time as wires jiggle. Creating an increase in heat due to increased resistance which then causes melting. I don’t believe the 55w to 65w difference between H9 and H11 plays any role.

    My initial focus was on securing small quantities of high quality H9 connectors. I found some I like very much which are affordable but the terminal is special order and 4000 minimum quantity.

    This plan is better if indeed the connectors I sourced are a clean match. That’s the lone remaining question. I will test figment on my truck to know for sure, both a center swap and a de-pin / re-pin.
     
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    4000 seems excessive :rofl:
     
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    so if the connectors don’t pan out, it doesn’t seem to difficult to modify the green connector to work with the H9.
     
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    You should be 100% a-ok with no inner plastic part. I suppose you could cut it with a knife but I don't think that has a ton of purpose.
     
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