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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Oct 11, 2021 at 12:26 PM
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    Gnarman

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    @crashnburn80 what headlight set up would you build if you were in charge of the next tacoma?
     
  2. Oct 11, 2021 at 12:31 PM
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    The only place I could find them near me (Columbia, SC) in stock was AutoZone. And this was hit or miss. Some had none, or only 1 or German made. O'Reillys showed them in stock but I went to several stores to find none. Advance Auto doesn't even list a 9011 on their site. Went to a local Advance anyways and they'd never heard of a 9011. So my suggestion thru my experience is to start looking at your local Auto Zones.
     
  3. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:19 PM
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    I just went ahead and ordered some Sylvania zXe Gold for not a bad price. Let's see how that works out.
     
  4. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM
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    I would love to take a crack at putting words into his mouth if I could be certain that he wouldn't read it before posting his answer :p
     
  5. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:22 PM
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    type it, send it to me and I’ll post it once Crash replies
     
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  6. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM
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    ok

    :anonymous:
     
  7. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:48 PM
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    I have said post saved in IM. Waiting for @crashnburn80 now
     
  8. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:50 PM
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    I’m thinking T4R w halogen high beams and 9011 HIR
     
  9. Oct 11, 2021 at 3:58 PM
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    Full disclosure I had to rush since I was slinking onto a plane and am too cheap for the WiFi. :rofl:
     
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  10. Oct 11, 2021 at 4:17 PM
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    I think we can safely rule out aftermarket Chinese housings with fancy color changing DRLs and drop in LED bulbs.
     
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  11. Oct 11, 2021 at 4:30 PM
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    Probably gen 2 reflectors with h9s
     
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  12. Oct 11, 2021 at 5:35 PM
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    Very interesting question.

    If it were a Hylux (sold internationally) and keeping cost on a Tacoma budget wasn't a concern, and a competing company wouldn't mind sharing their proprietary headlight tech, I'd consider Audi's adaptive digital matrix LED headlights with laser boost. Unfortunately slow archaic US lighting regulations prevent us from getting those in the US and they would be way outside of the appropriate price point of a Tacoma. The RX350 D2S HIDs are nice, but I wouldn't put HIDs on a new modern vehicle. Drawing from the Toyota arsenal I'd likely utilize the T4R LED projector low beam (but fix the flying saucer in the beam pattern) which have a great 5000k color temp and impressive beam intensity, and then the T4R halogen reflector high beam but make a 9011 HIR bulb standard instead of a 9005, and source the new Korean Osram 9011s as standard equipment. I would also include lens heaters as part of the cold weather package that would automatically turn on below 42 degrees. If designing from scratch, I'd likely utilize a multi-LED reflector which can offer a wider pattern than some projectors and use the same for with an LED high beam, similar to the OME Tacoma LED units. But I'd want to boost the output with higher power LEDs in a better 5000k, and again include a heated lens option. I'd also eliminate the halogen headlight option, with lens heaters there is no need and by keeping it, it means the headlight must be large enough for a halogen assembly when LED assemblies could be much smaller.

    It might be fun to experiment with some of the newer optic styles allowed by LEDs, which would give greater design freedom to the front of the truck. For example, I run JW Speaker Heated Evo J3s. Here is an image of the non-heated model. The projector on the top right is the high intensity focal hot spot while the 5 ribbed lenses on the left cover the rest of the beam pattern and spread. The 3 projectors on the bottom are the high beam. The white J shape is the DRL and signal and the notch to the right of the J is a cornering light. These have an amazing 4500k color temp, but output intensity could be better. If you placed the low and high beam components in a row, you'd have a very compact headlight assembly, much smaller than what is used on the Tacoma today and something that would not be achievable in a halogen headlight.


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    Looks busy, but the lens heaters kinda make it all blend. Obviously wouldn't put a round headlight on the Tacoma. Wouldn't want it looking to space age weird though, Toyota has played it pretty safe with the Tacoma. But it would interesting to experiment with and see what that opens for design doors.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I think I need to buy a 4Runner.
     
  14. Oct 11, 2021 at 6:05 PM
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    and here is his reply @memario1214

    So here's the "Cliffs Notes" response that I think that Crash would have to the question of "if you were designing the 4th Gen Tacoma headlights what would it look like". I'd write a bunch more, but I am getting on a plane, and am too cheap to pay for the Wifi :p:

    • LED based housings - LED is an unfortunate victim of optics and performance falls off quickly if housings are not properly tuned. However, they also have the ability to produce tremendous amounts of power and output intensity in smaller form factors making them a good solution for the ever-growing grille of modern day vehicles.
    • Reflector vs Projector - LED reflectors - I'm not sure if he would say separate modules for low/hi beam or standalone elements for the different patterns
     
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  15. Oct 11, 2021 at 6:12 PM
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    I’m gonna take the W from Colton on a more specific prediction
     
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  16. Oct 11, 2021 at 7:03 PM
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    Those are styling blue coated bulbs designed to have Sylvania’s “whitest light” which also means the greatest performance robbing coating that reduces output more than any of their others bulbs.
     
  17. Oct 11, 2021 at 8:20 PM
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    Interesting find. Keep me posted good sir. Thank you.
     
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    this is awesome! Thanks for the detailed post we need to get you hired at Toyota or keep or at least consulting w some of the aftermarket like morimoto to bring awesome products to market.
     
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    Already do some of that as an enthusiast, but don't get paid for it. I was a long time hold out on LED fogs because they were all so ineffective for the conditions they were designed for. It seemed so obvious, if you want to see in high density fog the last thing you'd want is a high color temp 6000k LED that is extremely reflective off of the precipitation in the air. But that was exactly what everyone was doing. ~3000k longer wavelength halogens were vastly more effective effective in fog. Why weren't any of the LED fog manufactures pursuing selective yellow? Which would also benefit with higher filtration losses generating heat at that lens for better resistance to icing (another hold out of mine), since fogs are most likely going to be used in poor weather. I met with Rigid reps explaining my ideas, and as a result helped bring the very first selective yellow LED fogs to market. Post #256. And look at where that trend is now. I probably should stop giving my ideas away for free.
     

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