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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Oct 11, 2021 at 11:52 PM
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    crashnburn80

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    I feel the brain cells dying off in mass watching that video. That cheap Chinese Vland pattern is a train wreck, and while those may look like OEM, they are not even close. OEM had 5 low beam emitters, the Vlands have 3. OEM has 2 high beam emitters, Vland has 1. OEM has ultra high precision optics with precise cut offs, perfect intensity at the pattern cut off and appropriate uplight, it is an outstanding headlight.

    OEM LED low beam
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    "Carbide" aka cheap Chinese Vland low beam... I'm at a loss for how to describe something this bad. Like seriously W. T. F. is this?
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    That isn't a correct headlight pattern in the slightest. Headlights are not supposed to look like a wave pattern. They try to brush it off in the video like "it is because it is a reflector". Are you joking?! Do you see the precision cut off of Toyota's OEM reflector? No it isn't because it is a reflector, it is because the product is shit. It is just astounding he is trying to sell people on this with a straight face. And those lux numbers, highly suspect. Being that HR also tried to sell the 2nd Gen Morimotos as 500% brighter based on their lux numbers compared to stock, when they were actually only 60% brighter, aka the same as a halogen bulb upgrade. But here is a member that installed those exact Vland units before TRS/HR/GTR bought them out. Post #44. Needless to say it isn't good. Also interesting to note, apparently the branding deal includes a design exclusivity clause, so those units will very quickly dry up off of China alibaba where you can order them direct for less.

    Headlight Revolution is part of the Driven Lighting Group companies, which include TRS and Morimoto. The umbrella was recently sold to Wheel Pros. Here is how Wheel Pros breaks down the brands, they classify HR's brand contribution as a "Youtube Influencer". Cringe. If someone wanted to send me one I'd gladly review it, but I'm not wasting money on this garbage.

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  2. Oct 12, 2021 at 1:54 AM
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    Was reading this article about the current market of vpn services and couldn't help but think about headlights lol

    https://nyti.ms/2WJCy1m

    EDIT: screen shot added as people may hit a pay wall.

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    Most people think VPNs are good for hiding your online activity, but those companies themselves can monitor what you're doing. Their advertising is about as honest as these aftermarket headlights companies.
     
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  4. Oct 12, 2021 at 11:07 AM
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    Well dang. I use Express VPN and the Duck Duck Go app. I will say that the VPN hides my location because most sites think I'm in Atlanta.
     
  5. Oct 12, 2021 at 11:10 AM
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    @crashnburn80 Since I work at a Lexus dealership, I see older Lexus models with OEM HID headlights and open freeform housings. With just a cap in front of it, no projectors. Just an early form of HID I guess.

    It's amazing how far headlight technology has come. Of course pretty much all the new models are LED and very effective.
     
  6. Oct 12, 2021 at 11:44 AM
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    HID reflectors? Are you sure they are OEM? What model did they come on? I’ve not heard of such a headlight, but doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.
     
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    Early Toyota Prius models (Prii?) had reflector based HID, as did some cadillac escalade models. It's not that HID cannot be refoector based, it's that the lamp needs to be designed around the lightsource, and simply mimicing the placement of the lightsource is not sufficient to act as asufficiently suitable replacement. This latter step is what most "hid" retrofit kits attempted to do for years, and what a significant number of the LED retrofit bulbs attempt to do now.
     
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    They are definitely OEM. I know early LS430s, GS300s and IS300s had HIDs (or at least options for HIDs). It's very weird seeing this these days. It looks like your standard halogen housing.
     
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    So, like everything they all just are owned by the same damn place and we cant trust anything. Sighhh
     
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    That's interesting. Well, it was an Amazon buy, so they can go right back. In lieu of getting the Korean Sylvania bulbs, what do you recommend in H11? The one made in Germany?
     
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    We were referring to the high beams which are 9005s. An easy inexpensive upgrade is to run 9011s. Any quality 9011 will be an upgrade. I was running Wagner 9011s and those were great. I just wanted to find the best I could.
    Your stock low beams in a 3rd gen taco would be H11s (if you have halogens). In that case, get Phillips H9s.
     
  12. Oct 12, 2021 at 12:27 PM
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    Agreed. I think the key word here is "attempt" though.
     
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    I'd go with the Toshiba HIRs, still available under GM's ACDelco. These have long been the go-to 9011 HIR: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C9QPKS

    LOL, yes. TRS started buying up the competition a few years ago then created a new parent company to put all its companies and brands under.
     
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    Yeah. Most of the discussion that happens in here seems to be as impartial as possible, but seeing a graphic like that makes you wonder if anything is real anymore lol.

    I had the same feeling when Wheelers, All-Pro, etc all got scooped up under the Trail-Gear umbrella... :puke:
     
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    Try looking up mattress reviews. :frusty:
     
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    So Wagner H11's for high, and Phillips H9's for lows. Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.
     
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    Methadras, what vehicle do you have? You seem to be conflating 9011 and H11 bulb types.

    The H11 bulb is a 55w, 1250 lumen nominal rated bulb, generally intended for low beam use.

    The H9 is a suitable upgrade in some applications, because it is optically compatible. The filament is placed in the same location as an H11's filament, the bulb bases are compatible (or close enough with minor trimming), and are only a slight power draw increase, to a 65w nominal rating.

    The H9 is intended as a highbeam bulb. Crash's testing shows its an effective bulb to replace the low beam H11.

    The 3rd gen tacomas high beams use the H9 as it is. An H11 would be a downgrade in performance.

    If you have a 5th gen 4runner, which uses 9005 bulbs for the high beams, then a 9011/HIR1 spec bulb is a suitable replacement/upgrade. The 9011 is rated to draw the same power as a 9005, 65w, but produce a rated 2300 lumens vs the 1700 for a 9005. The Toshiba HIR/9011 has been the go-to standard to measure against, but Osram/Sylvanias latest korean made 9011 is showing to be a higher performing bulb (but new, and relatively difficult to find).

    Again, the H11 would not be a suitable replacement for either a 9005 or 9011.
     
  19. Oct 12, 2021 at 4:42 PM
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    @Toy_Runner I have a 2017 TRD Sport 2WD, 3rd gen. My bad, I've been steadily reading all 265 pages and it's been a lot of absorption of data, so I might have misconstrued the H-Type bulb with fittings and applications. It's just a lot of info, so if I said something wrong, please forgive the faux pas on my part. For some reason, I apparently flipped bulb types for low/high beams. Sorry about that and I thank you for the clarification in your post. I also thought that the 3rd gens use H11's as high beams. That was my error.

    Also, is there a tutorial on trimming the base that you could refer to me? I can do that without issue, just need to know where to do it.

    And based on my revamped understanding with your clarification, it looks like the Amazon.com: Philips 12361B1 H9 Standard Halogen Replacement Headlight Bulb would be a good candidate for both low/high beams like @crashnburn80 first post suggestion. Am I correct in this?
     
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    It's all good man. Crash has multiple loghting threads around here. So sometimes people cross-pollinate with questions.

    I don't have Crash's photo handy, but if you compare both an H11 and a H9 base, you'll see the differences. One of the outer tabs will need slightly trimmed so that its easy enough to lock into the headlamp, and one of the two tabs inside of the plug base will need removed. Alternatively, you can pop the colored plastic tab out of the wiring harness plug with a small flat bladed screwdriver and it will plug right into an unmodified plug base.

    Yep, that Philips Standard H9 is the best bulb crash has tested. There are no +Focus rated H9 bulbs, unlike the plethora of different H11 options. And yes, also a great option for the highbeam.
     
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