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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Jul 4, 2022 at 11:52 AM
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    NotATacoFC2

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    Again, I can't thank you enough @crashnburn80 for this valuable data. It only highlights the strengths of existing technology and the poor advice I see constantly on Civic pages! Though from my research, it seems that the "best" LED assemblies fitted to MY2020-2021 are rated "Good" by the IIHS. 2016-2019 models are rated "Poor."
    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/honda/civic-4-door-sedan/2016#headlights
    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/honda/civic-4-door-sedan/2019#headlights
    I suspect it's from "excessive" glare that resulted the "Poor" rating.

    The other options for the Civic include replicas made by Vland or Morimoto XBs. I doubt the ones from Vland perform anywhere as well as OEM. And the Morimoto might exhibit the same qualities found on the Tacoma.

    Here's a photo of the XB's beam pattern from my thread on CivicX posted by another member.

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    Further digging shows that the XBs seem to be made by Coplus.
    https://www.nengun.com/js-racing/coplus-full-led-headlight
    What I find disappointing is that it appears to be marketed also by J's Racing, one of the more prolific classic Honda tuners.


    What's slightly infuriating is that Honda fit LED reflector low beams on lower trim levels of the 10th-gen Accord with a 9005 halogen high-beam.

    Happy 4th, everyone!
     
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  2. Jul 6, 2022 at 11:43 PM
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    Vland is a low quality Chinese product. Plenty of posts on the forum showing the bad blotchy output and lower performance than stock, definitely a product to be avoided. Several brands have started reselling these lights domestically under different brand names such as GTR lighting and Form lighting. Morimoto XBs are made by CoPlus out of Taiwan, they are substantially better quality than Vland. However as covered in the XB reviews in this thread despite being higher in output intensity, they lack compliant uplight causing one to be blinded by their own light cut-off and a loss of ability to see beyond the low beams, it is a poor design. In every case OEM LED has been superior to what the aftermarket LED assemblies have had to offer.
     
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  3. Jul 11, 2022 at 5:54 PM
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    College professor grabs a physics and engineering student. Tells them both, I’m going to put you each in separate closed rooms. On the opposite side of the room I’m going to put the head cheerleader. Every 2 minutes you can halve the distance between you and her.

    To the physicist he says, “Are you game?” The physicist thinks for a bit and says “It would be unbearable, I’d never ever reach her and that would be just torture”.

    To the engineer he says, “ What about you?” The engineering student thinks for about ten seconds and smiles and says “You bet, I’m game.”

    The physicist says “But, but, but…..” until the engineer cuts him off with “It doesn’t matter, after ten minutes I’ll be close enough”.

    Moral? At some point you’ll be close enough and you’ll pull the trigger.
     
  4. Jul 11, 2022 at 5:57 PM
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    Hah, I have some big enough life events on the horizon it seems, adding a 4th (for me) vehicle (5th for the family) is not a rational move for now.

    And selling one of the trucks, well, not really my preference :)

    But T4R does rule the headlight department.
     
  5. Jul 18, 2022 at 8:16 PM
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  6. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:14 PM
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    Shane on me for asking, but I’ve been reading most of the posts starting on page 1 over the last few months and I’m still not sure I get a clear grip on what is best.

    I’d like to upgrade my 2021 TRD OR headlight low beam bulbs, they’re halogen. Would also love to upgrade the fog lights too.

    I’m looking for:

    - significant improvement
    - plug and play
    - all halogen for my stock headlights

    As of 7/2022, what are my best options for low beam and fogs?

    Thanks in advance, and sorry for asking!
     
  7. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:19 PM
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    Stuff Phillips H9 in low beams. Remove green center plastic to fit. Purchase LED fog lights from diode dynamics. Kit is plug and play.

    Then save for OEM LED. Until then your improvements in low beams are what I consider insignificant.
     
  8. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:22 PM
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    Thanks a lot for your answer!

    Regarding the new fog kit from DD, is it worth it (and by that I mean significant enough of an upgrade) or should I just put some Rigid or Baja pods in there?
     
  9. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:26 PM
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  10. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:40 PM
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    Baja makes one of the worst performing SAE fogs on the market, definitely not worth it. In-fact if you had a late model 2nd Gen or early 3rd Gen truck with the H11 TRD fogs, Baja is actually a downgrade from stock. Read the review here: Baja Designs. Rigid has industry best cut offs, but does not compete in output intensity. Thus far for fogs, it is Diode Dynamics all the way for best product performance: Diode Dynamics SS3 Max, Diode Dynamics SS3.
     
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  12. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 PM
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    @crashnburn80 does the testing and deserves the accolades for his efforts.
     
  13. Jul 19, 2022 at 11:52 PM
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    In what alternative universe does a crap brand like Spyder beat out OEM LED and Morimoto LED at a fraction of the price???
     
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  14. Jul 20, 2022 at 12:17 AM
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    @daveeasa my bad, thanks for catching my mistake and for your answers!

    @crashnburn80 awesome work, thank you very much for putting out such a great resource for us Taco owners!

    I just ordered some Phillips H9 bulbs and will modify them to fit, I read the write up and it’s super easy. I also like the idea of carrying some spares in way of the high beams.

    For the fog ones, I’ll save some money and will go with DD then, probably by early Q4. Visibility is everything and I don’t want to cheap out on that!

    Thanks again to you both!
     
  15. Jul 20, 2022 at 12:20 AM
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    There are no fog bulb upgrades for your 21 running H16 fogs, you'd have to swap to a 16-19 H11 TRD fog assembly, and spending money on alternative assemblies quickly swings the favor to an SAE LED unit. Saving up for the DD SS3s is the correct choice.
     
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