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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

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  3. Mar 12, 2019 at 4:44 PM
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    This is due to focus. Remember the bulb doesn't generate much if any more light, the light is just far more focused and concentrated for better projection. The main part of a light assemblies projection is light reflected back off the internal projector to collect and concentrate the light. This is where the Hella Osram Hyper or Philips Visions H9s do a bit better, because they have the higher power they have a bit fuller pattern rather than relying solely on enhanced focus like the GEs.

    It is hard to say. Always take the Amazon reviews with a grain of salt, you really need to read over the reviews to understand why they received negative ratings. Penalizing the product because the package says Xenon but it doesn't look like the color of HIDs is really a ding on the customers product understanding not the product itself IMO. Bulb life is short, that is true. I'd speculate these are similar 150 hour rating to the +130s, though I have not yet searched for the specs. That is pretty short, but if you understand that ahead of time and understand the trade off for performance, it is an informed decision. If you don't you are then annoyed they didn't last like your factory ones, and rate it poorly. There are a number of people who report the bulb burnt out after a few days though, they don't say whether or not they were careful to not touch the bulb, so that is a bit of an unknown. Obviously frustrating for an expensive bulb. I did put GE Xenon's in my father-in-laws Ranger and they did go out within the first week. The backup set lasted multiple weeks before the truck was totaled. However, I purchased the bulbs off ebay, and the seller "opened the package to add stuffing for shipping", so I was skeptical if the seller touched the bulbs. Could certainly play it safer and cheaper with the +130s. The performance difference is only a few percentage points, price alone may be worth it for the +130s.

    The +120s have higher lux hot spot rating than the Hella Osram Hypers, by roughly 3%, but not as high as the Philips Vision H9s. But again that comes from extreme focus, the Hella Osram Hyper H9s will have a fuller pattern. I'd personally favor the more light output of the Hellas than the 3% gain of the GE +120s. But it is all about options, for those wanting the brightest plug and play H11, the GE +120 look like it. Though early bulb failure may or may not be an issue. The +120s are made in Hungry, which I believe is the same as the +130s.
    There is also a 15% off all of ebay coupon code today, good till 7pm PST! Not as much as a $15 rebate but allows options. Need to use an ebay app, the code if PSAVETODAY. Could use it to order the Philips Vision +30 H9s. Just be sure to buy factory sealed boxes.

    Yes, I'll post up all the specs soon. I was kinda hoping the last bulbs would arrive today, and I could just do a large update/finalizing everything. But no such luck today.
     
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    Rally Lights hit my credit card today for the H9's. My order still shows "pending" though.
     
  5. Mar 12, 2019 at 5:45 PM
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    My Hellas were delivered today. I hope to install tomorrow but may be Thursday before I can put them in. I’ll update when I get the chance.
     
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    That's great! When did you order? Still waiting on mine.
     
  7. Mar 12, 2019 at 5:49 PM
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    I ordered February 26. Unfortunately the vendor I ordered from was out of stock and I had to wait on hella. It took longer than it should have IMO, but they are here now so it’s all good.
     
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    The coupon on Amazon for the GE Xenon shows an expiration date of 2018 if you look closely at that pic.
     
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    Good to know. Many Thanks!
     
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    Order still shows 'pending', but USPS shows delivery tomorrow. Ordered on 3/1.
     
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    Ordered four bulbs yesterday. We'll see when they get delivered.
     
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    You can measure glare with a lux meter as light above the cut off. I’ve done this in my ultimate fog thread. Somewhat imperfect though as that is glare at a single point and not all glare is equal. But in that thread I was able to demonstrate doubling output and reducing glare to less than stock by switching housings for stronger cut offs. For example with not all glare being equal, yellow/amber light glare of equal intensity to very white/blue light glare does not have the same effect on on coming drivers, as human eyes have a much harder time processing blue light and are much more sensitive to it. So even though the glare intensity is the same, the white/blue light is much more harmful.
     
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    @crashnburn80 Thank you been reading a bunch over on the Candlepower forums and man is this stuff enlightening, some great post about LEDs, Retrofits, etc...
     
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    @crashnburn80 do you have any experience with the recent model OEM Tundra LED fogs? I know they bolt right into the 5th gen 4Runner and I’ve read they also will fit the 3rd gen Tacoma. I’m going to give the Vosla fog and Hella H9 setup a chance, but I really want the whitest appearance with the best performance and I think this configuration is a bit more yellow than I’d like. I’m considering an HID kit and whiter fogs. I’m considering that set from diode Dynamics but I need to research further. The 5000k will be white but less output than the 4300k?
     
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    The Hellas and Volsas are only just slightly whiter than stock (3200k vs 3000k), unless looking side-by-side it won't be noticeable. The GEs are the whitest halogen performance option, but even then they are only 3500k usually people wanting 'white' lights are looking for 5000kish, so while 3500k is a little whiter than stock it is still often a disappointment. It seems the LED DRL on the newer trucks is a common source of this dissatisfaction, as people want the lights to match the DRL, which isn't going to happen with halogens.

    I have not yet tested the Tunda LED fogs yet. I'm open to if someone would like to send them to me and I'll turn them around in a day with the published data and send them back. However, the Toyota OEM LED fogs from what I have tested so far with the Tacoma Pro and Lexus LEDs are not very performant compared to aftermarket options. The OEM options do better than Morimotos, but the KC G4s are far above and beyond what I've seen from Toyota in both higher light intensity, and larger and wider beam pattern, while also having better light color at 5000k. So while I have not yet tested the Tundra fogs, I would highly recommend the KC G4s for the plug and play LED fog solution. You can see the LED fog thread here:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-led-sae-j583-fog-pod-fog-light-review.554813/

    As for the HIDs, 4300k is typically the maximum output color, as you move away from that color temperature, the output starts to be reduced. 5000k really only takes a very minor hit in output when comparing specs for the XD HIDs. The further away you go from 4300k, the more rapid the drop in performance, so while 5000k only takes a minor hit, 6000k will take a much larger one.
     
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    Crash, thanks for taking the time to reply. Your response was pretty much what I expected to hear. I’d offer to get a set of the tundra fogs and send them to you, but instead I think I’ll enjoy the Hella/Vosla upgrade while I stash away a few bucks for the KC’s and an HID kit. I’m hoping I can find a little time this afternoon to pop the H9’s in and enjoy a well lit roadway tonight. Again, I appreciate all your help and hope you don’t get burned out answering questions.
     
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    Ummmmmm. Did I do something wrong? What’s with the blocks of light above the cutoff?

    CCE022D3-0CA6-49D9-A366-584F23F4828E.jpg
     
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    they have always been there, they are called squirrel spotters and used to illuminate signs in the distance
     
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    Hahahahaha. Seriously? I did not know that
     
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