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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Mar 14, 2019 at 6:23 AM
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    Boghog1

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    Right, using the fogs in clear weather can also decrease your night vision further down the road. I don’t normally run them unless it’s inclement weather. My photo was for entertainment purposes only.
     
  3. Mar 14, 2019 at 7:40 AM
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    To be clear, the OEM wiring always remained untouched. It was just the inner plastic tab on the H9 bulb that had to be trimmed. Getting the adapter harness and trimming it once makes it so you don’t need to trim the each time, making it then plug and play.
     
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  4. Mar 14, 2019 at 7:42 AM
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    A well constructed, respectful response to my question! Thank you! I read through this, and get the logic. I will submit, however, that as a motorcycle rider, it's not only about what the light can enable you see, it's what they do to make yourself more visible to others, which is actually why I leave mine on (I have touring fogs on my 2018 Yamaha Venture as well that stay on).

    BLUF, I get the reasons outlined above, make perfect sense, however, lights are a good tool to help others see you as well.
     
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  5. Mar 14, 2019 at 8:10 AM
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    Here’s my original post on it.

     
  6. Mar 14, 2019 at 8:12 AM
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    After getting the final bulbs tested and reorganizing post #2/3, I’ll add this up there for easier reference to others.
     
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  7. Mar 14, 2019 at 11:27 AM
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    We don't yet have an H11-H9 connector. People are getting an H11-H11 connector and modding it to accept H9 bulbs.
     
  8. Mar 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM
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    Ahhhh, so there is no h11-h9. That makes perfect sense
     
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    *yet. I’m working on getting an HD relayed harness made that will be plug and play H11->H9 to further increase the output of the H9 bulbs.
     
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  10. Mar 14, 2019 at 12:53 PM
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    With the anticipated harness... we can still safely run the H9 bulbs on the OEM wiring?
     
  11. Mar 14, 2019 at 1:03 PM
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    you should be safe but to be 100% Certain you would want to conduct a voltage drop test on the wiring but that is out of my scope of expertise on how to properly conduct and interpret the results.
     
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    Yes, you can safely run the H9s on the OEM wiring. You can check your headlight fuse rating, the H9s pull 72w (rated at 65w), 72w/12v=6A conservative. Actual voltage will be higher on battery voltage and even higher on alternator voltage, both reducing Amperage.

    Voltage drop test won’t tell you the safety factor, it tells you the efficiency loss of the OEM wiring harness, aka the performance improvement potential by running an HD relayed harness directly to the battery.
     
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    What is frustrating is when you spend $150+ on lighting products from China from “reputable companies” for a thread and multiple shipments claim to be delivered when they did not arrive. Meaning I’ve waited for a month plus on multiple shipments and thrown money away on companies that did not deliver, multiple times. I will not recommend these companies or products that fail to deliver to others, which is unfortunate from a product evaluation standpoint. These were the last lights I was waiting on to be delivered, which means crown for best performance bulb over all goes to the Philips Vision +30 H9.
     
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  14. Mar 14, 2019 at 10:38 PM
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    hahaha.....i have a BMW R1200gs and have Darla's....run them 100% of the time......day or night .....to be SEEN........i get it.....
     
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    Bright lights in bikes are a totally different animal. Loud pipes and bright lights save lives.

    Got pulled over on base once for not having a reflective safety jacket on once because they scream military. I had LED turn signals and HIDs. He said he couldn’t see me.. and I was like then I guess I won’t be getting hassled anymore if you can see me on my bike right now. My bike basically had a halo around it .. no ticket for me :)
     
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    know what you mean.....the Marine Corps was definitely on top of that....they check you entering the gate.....in town, and on streets I now were a mesh jacket over my protective jacket that has a yellow reflective stripe......my helmet has reflectivity all around......the Clearwater lights are the best.....if you cant see me coming, you should not be on the road.....
     
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  17. Mar 16, 2019 at 9:40 AM
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    Are these the Philips H9 +30 bulbs being referred to? As far as I can tell, there is only one part number on the philips.co.uk site, which is 12361B1, but sometimes it is referred to as "Vision" and sometimes "Vision +30" on eBay. You can buy part number 12361B1 on amazon.ca, in fact that is what I have in my truck right now. They are not called "Vision" in Canada, box says "standard".
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  18. Mar 16, 2019 at 9:55 AM
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    I believe 12361B1 is their part number for an H9 as I’ve seen it on both Vision and Standard bulbs, but they are not the same. The bulbs are not sold as ‘standard’. Vision +30 appears to be the older branding, it looks like Philips dropped the +30 and now just refers to them as “Vision” to differentiate it from “standard”. Vision H9s are not imported to North America from what I can tell, meaning you need to order out of Europe. Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.de or eBay. If you have a domestic Amazon account it works internationally, and it will automatically charge you in your local currency to avoid any international exchange rate hits from your bank.
     
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    I tried to order from Amazon.de once, and it wouldn't accept my shipping address :notsure:
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    Hmm. Did you try Amazon.co.uk? I’ve ordered a few things from the UK site without issues. I though someone had ordered from the German one, but maybe it was the French site, .fr.
     

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