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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Aug 22, 2019 at 8:31 AM
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    skierd

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    I’ve noticed shaking with the GE +130’s actually. Not nearly as bad as the XD 4300k non-Phillips kit I had before, but shake nonetheless.
     
  2. Aug 22, 2019 at 9:19 AM
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    @crashnburn80 any thoughts on these OSRAM Night Breaker LASER H11 +150%? They appear different than other night breaker Silver H11 +100% I have seen in the past.

    Night Breaker Laser: https://www.osram.com/ecat/NIGHT BR...01_3043435/PP_EUROPE_Europe_eCat/ZMP_4057700/

    Night Breaker Silver: https://www.osram.com/ecat/NIGHT BR...01_3043414/PP_EUROPE_Europe_eCat/ZMP_4057701/

    Also, just for my own edification, is the "150%" an objective or subjective industry standard when say comparing it to the GE Nighthawk Xenon +120 and GE Megalight Ultra +130 that we have covered in this feed? As always thanks for the input in advance!
     
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  3. Aug 22, 2019 at 9:59 AM
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    He tested these a while back and the results were disappointing.
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...ector-headlights.589465/page-16#post-19864159
     
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  4. Aug 22, 2019 at 11:01 AM
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    I think I can speak for everyone-we deeply appreciate all the work that crash has done for our edification about headlights!
     
  6. Aug 22, 2019 at 11:49 AM
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    Hear Hear! couldn't agree more. He's already a humanitarian and working his way towards the Nobel Prize for his outstanding work.
     
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  7. Aug 22, 2019 at 5:16 PM
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    I did retest them as the very low output of that initial measurement seemed bothered me, the did much better in the 2nd test. Their re-test lux rating is covered in the chart in post #2. The tests are usually fairly consistent, I’m not sure why that initial one came in so low, but regardless the GE bulbs still perform higher. Osram got a bit over zealous on the blue coating on the +150s which reduces output despite having a higher efficiency rating.
     
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  8. Aug 22, 2019 at 6:54 PM
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    could the coating be removed?
     
  9. Aug 22, 2019 at 10:02 PM
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    It is effectively a focus rating, it is objective. You can read more about the rating and how it works on Philip’s site below. If all else was equal it would be very easy. However, as usual, it gets a little more grey when manufactures start placing performance robbing blue coatings on the bulb, and some high efficiency bulbs run at higher wattage than others for even higher output. And not all headlight assemblies respond to the same level with the increased efficiency bulbs. Some assemblies respond better than others.

    https://www.philips.co.uk/p-m-au/au...e-articles/article/improve-your-lights-easily

    I have heard of people removing coatings with a stripping agent and steel wool. However it will likely cause the bulb surface to be slightly scratched/non-uniform which will lead to uneven hearing and likely premature bulb failure.
     
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  10. Aug 25, 2019 at 10:25 AM
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    Lighting engineers consider one other factor; scotopic and photopic vision or pupil lumens. The human eye, during lower light conditions, perceives the colder temperatures (6000K) as much brighter than the warmer temperatures (3000K). In fact, at the same lumen intensity, the cold light will appear about almost twice as bright as the warm temperatures. This is why the LED headlights appear much brighter than the halogens even though they may have a lower lumen output.
     
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  11. Aug 26, 2019 at 4:35 AM
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    Crash, do you know the lifespan of the Xenon +120s?
     
  12. Aug 26, 2019 at 7:41 AM
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    It is about 150 hours IIRC. I run 200 hr bulbs in my 2nd Gen which last almost exactly 1 year, so based on my use I’d expect 9 months out of the GEs, give or take. Not running them when not necessary (during the day) will help to get the most out of them.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2019 at 7:45 AM
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    Is there going to be significant light output drop off towards the end of bulbs useable life, or will it just die one day and need to be replaced if we don't do it prematurely?
     
  14. Aug 26, 2019 at 8:23 AM
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    Actually the bulbs are advertised to maintain their original output near the end of the life span better than standard bulbs. A normal bulb may dim 20% or more, and the GEs were advertised to be less than 10% if memory serves me correctly. I wouldn't replace them prematurely, but when bulbs go out they should always be replaced in pairs, so when one fails replace both headlights with new bulbs.
     
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  15. Aug 26, 2019 at 7:05 PM
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    Impressive post. Well done, sir!
     
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  16. Aug 31, 2019 at 6:24 PM
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    This is a fantastic post. Thank you for your time and effort. It absolutely helps with understanding what to look for in a replacement buld!

    ~Anthony
     
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  17. Sep 7, 2019 at 12:56 PM
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    Hey,Crash
    Can we run these with stock wiring? :fingerscrossed:
    https://www.amazon.com/OSRAM-BOOST-...11+75+watt&qid=1567885502&s=automotive&sr=1-1
     
  18. Sep 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM
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    You probably can sure, but they’ll be a significant downgrade in light output thanks to the blue coating.
     
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  19. Sep 8, 2019 at 8:26 AM
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    Yep. Wattage wise they will work, however a 5000k blue coating is very dark for a halogen, so the output is going to be severely negatively affected. The blue coating is also going to make the bulb run extra hot internally, combined with the higher wattage is going to lead to very short bulb life. Not a product I would recommend for good output.
     
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  20. Sep 8, 2019 at 6:18 PM
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    Crash, thanks for all the information I definitely appreciate that
     

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