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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Oct 9, 2019 at 8:54 PM
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    Well, I have some on my mustang that are the same brand, and I believe have similar array dimensions. Those are the cheap versions, though. I was planning to wait to see the results on the Ultra version, but my impulses got the better of me. I had a hunch they were gonna do well from everything else I've seen on them.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2019 at 8:57 PM
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    The cheap version is terrible. I’ve tried those too, the emitter distance is much larger by comparison. The Ultra version is light years better.
     
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  4. Oct 10, 2019 at 6:34 AM
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    That is a very dated old design that doesn’t work and produces awful glare. Remember the key to making LEDs work correctly is to make them as small as possible to get the optical geometry and focus as close to correct as possible. That design is very large and while the ‘360’ concept seems reasonable at first, the light origination point is off center in many many directions leading to no focus. The opposing LEDs on a blade design that has become the standard is a much better design.
     
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    They're a huge improvement over the stock bulbs, and will (theoretically) last a lot longer than a high performance halogen. That's all I was looking for in the Mustang (9004 bulb) that I drive only a few times a month. That said, I would not recommend them in any higher end application. They're merely adequate, even with my low performance demands in the Mustang. They aren't nearly as bright as other options with 9600 claimed lumens between 24 emitters (assuming the ad makers count both high/low, which I'm sure they do). That's 400 max lumens each emitter, which is tragically low for an LED. As we all know by now, actual usable output isn't calculated simply by adding each emitter's max output. That combined with the emitter distance is why I opted for the better bulbs in the Taco.
     
  6. Oct 10, 2019 at 6:48 AM
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    Good to know thanks
     
  7. Oct 10, 2019 at 7:28 AM
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    Good information as always, thanks @crashnburn80
     
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  9. Oct 10, 2019 at 8:22 AM
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  10. Oct 10, 2019 at 8:33 AM
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    I’ve never seen a $30 replacement LED light do remotely close to great, they are typically Chinese toys.

    Another example that talks about how well they replicate a halogen filament and completely leaves out width. Those things are wide, which will give poor focus and projection performance.

    Edit: And when run in a reflector like a foglight, awful glare.

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  11. Oct 10, 2019 at 8:34 AM
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    Yes. I did them for my low beam and fogs. The beam pattern is excellent, the color is great, and is brighter than stock. The fogs really project both far and wide which make for great highway driving/backroads.
     
  12. Oct 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM
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    I am just here answering questions and giving real world results. Are they as good as the halogens you recommend...NO. And I am not disagreeing!!!

    However for a cheap LED is it brighter than stock? Yes! Does it project farther? Seems to yes. It definitely does not project less!. I am happy with my purchase and would recommend, as I just did, when someone asks me about them. They have a ton of positive reviews and you tube videos showing other happy customers which is why I tried them and bought them. If you WANT an led then I think worth the few bucks spent.

    If you want the BEST light output then halogen as you recommend is still superior based upon the factory lighting assembly.

    Take Care.
     
  13. Oct 11, 2019 at 6:39 PM
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    I got my Hiks in. Here's my 100% nonscientific review:

    They look great. It seems the foreground light (or whatever the part is called that lights up signs) is completely gone. I can turn the bulb to get it back, but that kills the focus of the main beam. I haven't driven without other traffic on the road, so I can't say for sure, but I think there is enough scattered light to light signs. Just not at 12 miles away like my factory Fusion LEDs did. Install was a breeze. The cutoff looks stock (minus the signage light) so glare is nonexistent. Overall, I'm pleased so far.
     
  14. Oct 11, 2019 at 6:44 PM
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    Is this in your Tacoma? Or the Mustang I think it was? Much of that signage light was scatter and not supposed to be there (where signs light up like they are radio active). The LEDs should be installed so the emitters face 3 and 9 o'clock. In projectors, the uplight to light overhead freeway signs is actually reduced. This is because the projector location for this light is directly in front of the bulb, as halogen bulbs light in all directions including forward. LEDs however do not, so some uplight in lost with side-firing LEDs in a projector.
     
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  15. Oct 11, 2019 at 6:52 PM
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    That is good news just ordered a set for my headlights and fogs
     
  16. Oct 11, 2019 at 7:03 PM
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    So is there much uplift with the stock Halogens to where they light up the signs? I've never really noticed. Even though I just drove into work in the dark lol.
     
  18. Oct 12, 2019 at 7:50 AM
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    Yep, it is there. It isn’t intended to be super bright, as signs are highly reflective and you want to minimize uplight to oncoming drivers. Here is a pic of halogens vs Morimoto XB headlights, notice the raised box above the cut off on the halogen side. That is the uplight.

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  19. Oct 13, 2019 at 2:20 PM
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    Can someone help me with an install question? 2019 Off Road
    I purchased the GE +130s. https://www.amazon.com/GE-Megalight-Ultra-Headlight-53110XNU/dp/B06XRS9LBR
    However they are not fitting in two locations. I've installed headlights before so this is not something new.
    One of the three outside tabs on the GE (right) are reverse from the stock (left) bulb. Is this normal? A fix?
    The internal tab on the GE is bigger, is this what users are "trimming"? See yellow

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  20. Oct 13, 2019 at 2:26 PM
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    Stuff, things, this, an ADS
    Did you accidentally take out the hi beam H9. I did that at first not paying attention
     

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