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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Oct 13, 2019 at 2:35 PM
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    tmartin110

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    Annnd... I'm an idiot. I will leave this post up for others to learn from stupidity.

    Thanks El Duderino

    They are plug and play.
     
  2. Oct 13, 2019 at 2:38 PM
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    Stuff, things, this, an ADS
    Glad it was just that.
     
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  3. Oct 13, 2019 at 2:51 PM
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    Yep, this. The other bulb pictured is an H9. @tmartin110 you removed the wrong bulb.

    Edit! Slow on the updates apparently! Glad @El Duderino had you covered!
     
  4. Oct 13, 2019 at 3:15 PM
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    I will say, I was not initially a huge fan of the GE 130s bc while they were definitely bright, the color temp was slightly too high and washed out for my liking... but I’ve found that the Nokya 2500 yellow bulbs in the OEM fogs + the GEs are a perfect combo for my needs.

    I’d actually love to see some crash testing on those Nokyas. I know they are coated and that reduces output but last night I turned only my fogs on in my neighborhood and that yellow light seemed to carry for ever and the yellow of those lights kind of seems to fill in what I felt was missing with the GEs alone - for my eyes anyhow. I hate any light temp that gets even close to “daylight” white and find it far more distracting than helpful.
     
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  5. Oct 13, 2019 at 6:32 PM
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    The GE Xenons +120 or Philips H9s give a lower color temp and higher output for headlight options (only slightly lower in the case of the Xenons), which you may find more pleasant.

    What would you want to see tested? They will be lower output than stock but more ideal color for poor weather use. I could provide specs on filtration loss and color temperature. If/when I do a run of glare capped H9s for extreme fogs, Nokya does offer a 2500 yellow H9 which would be significantly higher output than the H11 version.

    I agree warmer color temps are better for driving, and yellow for fogs is most ideal. I run the Rigid Selective Yellow LED fogs and have been very impressed by them, I'm looking forward to their new 360 4" round model which specs significantly higher output than the existing D-series I am currently running.
     
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  6. Oct 13, 2019 at 6:56 PM
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    I'm seeing the gears turning in Crash's head.... "hmmmm, how do I setup one of those hollywood rainmakers so I can have a consistent test environment for rain." :)
     
  7. Oct 13, 2019 at 7:12 PM
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    Indoor fog maker. ;)
     
  8. Oct 13, 2019 at 7:20 PM
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    I have the XenCN H9 2300k bulbs in my TRD fogs and they also do a great job at both punching through bad weather and fog as well as being less distracting than white bulbs when run in conjunction with low beams. Yellow compliments the stock halogen color well.
     
  9. Oct 13, 2019 at 7:29 PM
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    Aren't you running those in the Subaru fogs?
     
  10. Oct 13, 2019 at 7:31 PM
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    That would be a challenge of course..... fog being the most refractive of the airborne 'water elements'. Snow of course does a good job at reflection (maximum angle refraction).

    But how do you ensure constant saturation test to test? Perhaps with a reference light and all tests are normalized?
     
  11. Oct 13, 2019 at 7:39 PM
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    I was being a bit facetious, but that is how I would approach it with a low tech method. Maybe standardize the test temp and fog machine run duration as well to get a somewhat close environment. It would certainly be a challenge to provide consistency. A studio rain set where you could program the flow would certainly be more controllable. Of course that would be taking this craziness to a whole other level. :)
     
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    Not anymore, I swapped the TRD OR fogs I got when I got my bezels from a member here in order to give a fair comparison and liked the TRD fogs way better. I will be selling the Subaru fogs soon.
     
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  13. Oct 13, 2019 at 8:06 PM
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    Diffraction bulbs like the Xencn 2300s still produce blue light, rather than filter it they bend it out of the main beam whereas yellow coated bulbs filter blue light out. From what I saw the Subaru fogs with glare guards did a good job blocking this blue light whereas the open face TRD units did not, meaning you get much better color saturation (More yellow) with the Subaru fogs on a diffraction bulb like the Xencn 2300.
     
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    Sorry, yeah, the Ultras in my Tacoma are what I was talking about. There is damn near zero uplight. If I pull up real close to the garage door, I can see a teeny tiny bit, but nothing like the stock halogens. The uplight portion of the beam is definitely provided by the vertical lighting that is not present on the side firing LEDs. The LEDs I was comparing it to are the stock LEDs in my '17 Fusion Sport. That thing lit overhead signs from miles away, but my Taco barely lights them at all.


    Side note with a couple points: I went to Iowa City this weekend to pick up a bike (1999 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird), and my GF drove my truck. I had to let her lead for two reasons. 1) The Hikaris were blinding me when my mirrors fell below the cutoff (which was pretty much always because we haven't discussed car/bike follow distance etiquette), and 2) the previous owner of the bike has never heard of @crashnburn80. The headlight bulbs in that bike are the worst I've ever seen. As far as I can tell, these are the bulbs he has in there. They are a blue LED running light... In both high and low beams! I rode about 5 hours in 40 degree temps on a new bike with headlights that gave me about half a second reaction time. I had to use my trucks headlights to see where we were going. Needless to say, I won't be taking that bike out of town at night again until those are changed.

    PS: that bike is bonkers fast.
     
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    Interesting, good to know. I have a set of the Nokya Yellow h11 bulbs in my wife’s CRV and it’s funny to me how the color at the housing is wildly different. Hers shine bright yellow and mine are more of a warm white, but in the ground in the fog pattern they’re both still nearly the same yellow.

    I’m more or less only using the fogs in wet and foggy weather, as one should of course, which we’ve had a ton of it this fall. I know I’ve doubled down on glare with H9’s in the TRD fogs but they rarely see use on the highway and I’m telling myself it’s still better than a LED in a reflector.
     
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    Having used Roscoe fog machines on several photo shoots - the standard Hollywood fog machine, all I can say is that they are a nightmare. Totally unpredictable and barely controllable and not repeatable at all. And, of top of that, the Roscoe fog juice is nasty nasty shit. You really don't want to breathe that in, and on top of that, the last time we used it, it tripped the anti-smoke sensors in our AC units and left us with no AC until the repair dudes could come out. If anyone wants a nearly full bottle of Roscoe juice, I'll gladly sent it your way.
     
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    Pretty standard. Happens almost 100% of the time I give a positive review on a lighting product.

    TW influenced buying on Amazon has even led to the reclassification of bulbs in the case of my gy6.35 HIR reverse thread, causing a landscaping bulb to be reclassified as an automotive bulb, which it is not.
     
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    Thanks Crash! I'll probably check out an H9 philips here at some point as it does seem to be the highest output while maintaining an easier-on-the-eyes color temp. Everyone's eyes are different, of course and my eyes can't stand the super-white LED options folks are running and it's hard for me to see how anyone uses them, but to each their own :)

    For now the blend of the whiter GE 130s + the Nokya 2500 H11s seem to be working ok. Honestly I'd almost be scared of melting the stock fog light housing putting any more heat in the fog housing b/c one thing is that the Nokyas "seem" to run really hot, but of course nothing's melted yet so I guess it's not that big of a deal and the plastic tolerances in there are pretty good it would seem.

    It was really just a moment when I was unloading my gear after a camping weekend and turned off my headlights, but still had the fogs on and damn if I didn't look up and could see, literally a quarter-mile down my neighborhood with ease just with those 2500k lights on and I really didn't expect that kind of throw from cheap $18 halogens in the fogs.
     
  20. Oct 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM
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    Not gonna lie. I thought about it but I will wait for some type of replacement assembly other than the $1200 morimotos lol. My GE+130's work just fine. I also read some reviews that they either die or begin to flicker anywhere from 3 to 9 months. There's a 2 year manufacture warranty but just not worth the hassle IMO.
     

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