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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 5, 2019 at 1:59 PM
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    replica9000

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    That's some sound logic right there :rolleyes:
     
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    I've read through about 50% of this thread (skipped most of the middle), and see how thoughts have changed a bit over time. I have a 2020 TRD OR. Based on info here I ordered a set of the Philips H9's for the lows, but don't know which direction to go for the stock fogs. I see that the TRD's are supposed to have the H11 housing, but it appears that the 2020's changed to the H16 that the older non-TRD's have.

    Is there a good upgrade halogen option for the H16 fogs, or is it best to replace the housing with the factory LED fogs (PT413-42191) and be done with it?
     
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    Welcome to the forum from Eastern North Carolina.

    I have a 2019 SR5, and it had H16 fogs. I replaced them with H11 Nokya NOK7618 Hyper Yellow bulbs. I also put H9 bulbs in the low beams. I am very satisfied with the performance, and didn't spend a lot of money.

     
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    Mostly wasn't concerned with brighter, just a different colour as my eyes seem to be getting old and the whiter light works better for me. I also didn't want to blind other people so taking into account the data where the LED's that were similar in thickness seemed to not have an issue with cutoff and blasting other people I went LED.. We will see how long they last but right now driving at night is amazingly better for me. Thank you for all the work you went into compiling this data to help others make the choice that is best for them (and for also not being a dick ;) )
     
  5. Nov 5, 2019 at 4:08 PM
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    Are you located in Canada by chance? The Canadian trucks only came with H16s. It would be disappointing if the 2020s TRD trucks switched to H16s. You might try the H11 swap mentioned below. That is the first I've heard of someone successfully doing it that I recall.

    Those Toyota LED fogs are a great budget buy if you don't mind the high color temperature. You can see my review on them here: Toyota LED fogs. If looking for a white fog that is a direct fit in the OEM location, the KC G4s are a much higher performing option, with a larger pattern area and better color temperature at 5000k. They were covered in the original post in the SAE fog thread. For poor weather, the high color temp of the white LEDs isn't ideal, I much prefer the poor weather performance of selective yellow. Rigid Selective Yellow D-series pods require adapter plates to mount, or the new Rigid 360 Series will swap directly into the OEM location with the Tacoma brackets due out later this month. Of course all these higher performing LED options are significantly more expensive than Toyota's LED fogs, which are already more expensive than just a bulb swap. :)

    Good info! I think I've heard others have issues with the tabs on the H11s seating into the fog housing, but that can be bulb specific. I've not tried it myself.
     
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  6. Nov 5, 2019 at 7:48 PM
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    Thanks! I'll take a look at those.

    I am in Southwest Colorado, so it shouldn't be a US / Canada issue. I am ok with running the stock fog setup for now and dig into the fog specific thread another day. Winter snow performance is more important than the looks of a whiter light.

    I assume I could test fit the stock lows in the fog housing? If that works, would there be any drawbacks with running them?
     
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    I'll amend my question to then be: is the consensus that LEDs, at least those you've tested, are not suited for stock Tacoma projectors, for the reasons you've listed above? I'm asking this because a lot of people in and out of this thread are raving about LEDs and going with a simple "looks good to me" as a claim for their efficacy. Some disregard the data excellently presented here. It's very easy to want to think unsavory thoughts about such decision making and boneheadedness, so I want to make sure I got the facts so I'm not becoming a bone head myself.

    I'll add that not everyone who opts for LEDs is a bone head.
     
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  8. Nov 6, 2019 at 2:16 AM
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    There's alot of people on this site that think because they spent their money on something that makes it the best because some company made some BS unsupported claims. Its cometely placbo. They're told its the best therefore they buy it hook line and sinker and fight vehemently anyone who suggests otherwise. (This extends beyond headlights).

    LED bulbs will never perform as well in projectors designed for incandescence because the width of the bulb throws off the focus of the projectors and the beam doesnt project long distances not only because the reflectord in the projector assembly cant focus the beam. The color of LED light is non continuous meaning its got holes in the color spectrum and is harsher on the eyes compared to an incandescent bulb which is a continuous spectrum of color and produces a more natural light that is easier on the eyes.
     
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    Calling them bone heads is better than some things. . .


    I really don't understand the obsession with LEDs.
     
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    The Hikaris actually performed fairly well in one of his recent tests but I think the quality is suspect. It has a 2 year warranty I think but I just find that it would be a pain to send it in and wait for a replacement.
     
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    Marginally. Phillips H9s which are practically free by comparison outperform them.
     
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    Thanks for the sanity check, everybody.
     
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    Yes. But his question was pertaining to LED's.
     
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    It was already proven these led's have a great beam cut off and do not blind everyone even Crash indicated with his testing but I just come here for the laughs and stir the pot.
     
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    Ah yes, it must be the "Chip Size Packege" technology that puts the beam cutoff right into the bulb instead of the projector.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah it is lol!!! Like I said here for the laughs. Love my Led's.
     
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    Looks like you've looked at the data OP posted about them and opted for LEDs. Not the choice I would've made for a number of reasons but you did your research and that's all anyone can ask. It's your truck and if you ain't blinding anyone, then I don't see an issue. Stir away!
     
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    actually the opposite was proven.
     

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