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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 6, 2019 at 6:38 AM
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    Joe671

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    The Hikaris actually performed fairly well in one of his recent tests but I think the quality is suspect. It has a 2 year warranty I think but I just find that it would be a pain to send it in and wait for a replacement.
     
  2. Nov 6, 2019 at 6:59 AM
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    Marginally. Phillips H9s which are practically free by comparison outperform them.
     
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  3. Nov 6, 2019 at 7:25 AM
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    Thanks for the sanity check, everybody.
     
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  5. Nov 6, 2019 at 8:54 AM
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    Yes. But his question was pertaining to LED's.
     
  6. Nov 6, 2019 at 9:33 AM
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    It was already proven these led's have a great beam cut off and do not blind everyone even Crash indicated with his testing but I just come here for the laughs and stir the pot.
     
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    Ah yes, it must be the "Chip Size Packege" technology that puts the beam cutoff right into the bulb instead of the projector.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah it is lol!!! Like I said here for the laughs. Love my Led's.
     
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    Looks like you've looked at the data OP posted about them and opted for LEDs. Not the choice I would've made for a number of reasons but you did your research and that's all anyone can ask. It's your truck and if you ain't blinding anyone, then I don't see an issue. Stir away!
     
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    actually the opposite was proven.
     
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    Thanks buddy
     
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    Define "free." They [H9] perform great and are inexpensive, but they also have brighter uplight/more glare, require modifications to fit, and have a shorter life. So many people here are bashing on LEDs because they may cause glare in some reflectors, but the LEDs I put in my projectors have nearly zero glare if any at all (as Crash, the master himself, has testified is due to the way projectors work), as well as nearly zero uplight at all because they don't even send light to the part of the housing that creates uplight. Granted, no uplight is a bad thing because my overhead sign visibility is trash, but it's certainly not blinding anyone like all you critics are claiming. It's hilarious that so many of you falsely bash away at LEDs for "blinding people;" then you promote a bulb that has no glare cap which would absolutely blind the shit out of people in many reflector housings (sound familiar?), and even exceeds the legal glare limit in OUR projectors. The hypocrisy here is unreal!

    It's understandable to have a grudge against people that buy aftermarket lights that have absurd amounts of glare, but bashing ALL LEDs (and the people that buy them) is childish and trollish. Especially considering most of the blinding lights on the road are (most likely) the old bulky LEDs or HIDs, not the newer LEDs. If you have actual PROOF via RECENT tests conducted using the newer bulb types (specifically bulbs that we're talking about would be ideal) then I'm more than willing to reconsider my stance. However, if all you have is baseless trolling or conjecture based on old bulbs or unknown bulbs (which is what I suspect is the case more often than not), then stay out of it. Hell, if you even have personal testimony related to one of these bulbs that have been discussed in this thread, I'd be happy to take that into consideration. The most recent (and only) tests that I've seen using the Hikari Ultra shows that it outperforms the stock bulb by a significant margin, does not show worse glare than stock, and DOES show LESS glare than the highest recommended bulb in this thread (which only slightly outperforms the Hikari). There is also personal testimony from multiple users that have read this thread, are familiar with, or at least aware of the concepts being talked about here, that speak favorably about the newer LED bulbs. I have personally rode my bike in front of my Tacoma. I have had another police officer ride his bike in front of my bike. I have had my girlfriend drive my Tacoma in front of my bike. In all instances, there have been no complaints about glare. In all instances, I have been very happy with the light output. Unfortunately, I don't have any personal testimony regarding the LEDs I put in Mustang, as I haven't had it out with anyone else. However, I can say with confidence that it probably has worse glare than stock, but not as bad as it would be if I had an old LED design, a drop-in HID, or even just a brighter halogen bulb.

    I'm not saying LEDs are perfect, obviously. However, they aren't the retina searing, demon semen a lot of you seem to claim they are.
     
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    I think that the main point here, & what has been proven by OP's testing, is that a halogen bulb in a halogen projector will out perform an LED bulb in a halogen projector, even if the halogen bulb "only slightly outperforms" the LED bulb, as you've stated. Slightly better is still better... & it really makes sense that the halogen bulb would out perform the LED bulb in a halogen projector since it was designed as & even called a halogen projector. Seems simple enough to me.
     
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    For simple clarification, LEDs in halogen projections like the 3rd Gen headlight low beams do not cause glare because of the projector, the issue at hand is focus. Focus affects having the light distribution correct in the pattern and distance projection performance. As pointed out by @TACO_ROCKET LEDs in the projector actually produce significantly less uplight because the LED does not produce omni-directional light as the assembly was designed for, and using an uncapped bulb does produce more up-light. Reflectors and projectors are different style lighting assemblies with different characteristics.

    I've got two more LED sets coming this week to test and add to the thread, which should be interesting.

    And since I have to mod my Rigid pre-release fog mounts and let them set overnight, I should have time to test out the amber Pro6 covers for the high beam project this evening.
     
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    Well she was
    Blinded by the light
    Revved up like a deuce
    Another runner in the night
     
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