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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 13, 2019 at 2:06 AM
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    did I offend you? your LEDs dont project far this is a fact.
     
  2. Nov 13, 2019 at 6:42 AM
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    That's not an LED issue. That will occur with any bulb without a glare cap, be it LED, halogen, HID, laser, etc. The fact that the overhead light is closer is a product of the shallow buckets combined with no glare cap. An uncapped halogen (like an H9) would do the exact same thing.
     
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  3. Nov 13, 2019 at 8:24 AM
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    @crashnburn80 have you tested a rx350 retrofit headlight before? Or anyone else reading this, have you see a test compared to a the standard Toyota projector elsewhere?
     
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  4. Nov 13, 2019 at 8:28 AM
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    I'll add to this that some reflector housings have a glare cap built in to the housing. Neither of my reflectors (bike and mustang) have built-in glare caps, but the glare is still not that bad. This type of glare is strictly the light coming directly from the light emitter, straight to your eye, so it's not focused at all. While not ideal, it's not much more than a mild annoyance, especially at driving distances. It's like looking at a flashlight bulb outside the flashlight compared to having a flashlight shined at your face. The light coming straight from the emitter of a halogen or LED is annoying, but it doesn't have a serious affect on the night vision of other motorists. Light from a HID on the other hand is so intense that, even without being focused, it will likely cause some temporary night blindness if looked at directly.
     
  5. Nov 13, 2019 at 9:25 AM
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    The Rx350 projector IS a standard Toyota projector. Both are made by Koito. The Rx350 is a bi-xenon (combo hi/low beam HID) while the halogen projector in our truck is designed for low beam only. Some Toyotas (not sure which) also use the Koito Bi-LED projector, which is another great retrofit option. They are all among the best in their respective category because Koito makes good shit. The xenon will be the brightest, the LED will give up some lux to the HID, but will last longer and doesn't need to warm up. Both are combo hi/low headlights, so you'd either double up on the high beam or disable it on one of them.
     
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  6. Nov 13, 2019 at 4:34 PM
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    I use there Philips xtreme vision ultinon led bulbs in my factory fog lights. Philips specifically states these are fog light bulbs. I tried many LED bulbs in my fog lights before settling on these. They work excellent! The beam pattern mimics the stock halogen bulbs well except they produce FAR more light. I don’t have any equipment to test them but I can tell you from first hand experience that they don’t have the glare that cheaper bulbs produce, they are designed very well. I HIGHLY recommend these as an upgrade to the factory halogen fog light bulbs but they do carry a hefty price tag of around $150. Another appealing feature is the properly designed heat sink that doesn’t have a failure prone cooling fan. Philips also offers a 5 year warranty on them.
     
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  7. Nov 13, 2019 at 4:44 PM
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    Please keep us up to date on how these perform for you! Please test in both the low beam and high beam. Your testing is second to none!

    I’m in the process of a RX350 retrofit and looking for a suitable LED replacement for my high beam. I’d like the quad high beams to be all the same color.

    Great work sir!!
     
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  8. Nov 14, 2019 at 9:06 AM
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  9. Nov 14, 2019 at 9:26 AM
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    That is indeed good news. You can never tell much from those ratings as they do NOT check factory headlight alignment before testing. As a result you can see a wide variety of ratings for identical lights. This does indicate that at least this one test vehicle was properly aligned, or at least darned close.
     
  10. Nov 14, 2019 at 10:16 AM
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    Would be so interesting to see the numbers on the rx350 and the new LED's as compared to all the other data here.
     
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  11. Nov 14, 2019 at 10:46 AM
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    OEM LED tests:

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    Vs the halogen
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    LED Low BEAMS Average minimum useful
    illumination distance (5 lux)
    Amount glare
    exceeded threshold

    Straightaway right edge 86.3 m None
    Straightaway left edge 49.6 m None
    250m radius right curve, right edge 74.5 m None
    250m radius left curve, right edge 48.9 m None
    150m radius right curve, right edge 60.0 m None
    150m radius left curve, left edge 52.2 m None
    HIGH BEAMS Average minimum useful
    illumination distance (5 lux)

    Straightaway right edge 164.7 m
    Straightaway left edge 163.8 m
    250m radius right curve, right edge 95.2 m
    250m radius left curve, left edge 83.7 m
    150m radius right curve, right edge 71.0 m
    150m radius left curve, left edge 70.9 m


    HALOGEN LOW BEAMS Average minimum useful
    illumination distance (5 lux)
    Amount glare
    exceeded threshold

    Straightaway right edge 68.0 m None
    Straightaway left edge 40.6 m None
    250m radius right curve, right edge 50.2 m None
    250m radius left curve, left edge 41.9 m None
    150m radius right curve, right edge 40.9 m None
    150m radius left curve, left edge 37.4 m None
    HIGH BEAMS Average minimum useful
    illumination distance (5 lux)

    Straightaway right edge 142.6 m
    Straightaway left edge 118.9 m
    250m radius right curve, right edge 68.4 m
    250m radius left curve, left edge 63.3 m
    150m radius right curve, right edge 52.5 m
    150m radius left curve, left edge 51.8 m

    I wish it were possible to do a test with the halogen units with H9 bulbs and re-aimed up slightly, but I doubt that's gonna be feasible. It does appear that the new OE LEDS are superior in most every way at least!
     
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  13. Nov 14, 2019 at 1:41 PM
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    XenCN H9 selective yellow in TRD OR fogs, Phillips h9 lows, Stock highs plus hella 700FF with 100w h3 halogens. Fogs only, fogs+lows, highs+hella. Notice my lows project much further than the fogs only, and how much light is in the entire pattern.


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    And to add, I’m not against LED’s; I’m just in it for performance. I think it’s silly to be for or against any given technology. Halogens work better in our OE housings and are far more cost effective to upgrade. Even if I end up replacing H9’s yearly, that’s $14 per year for my low beams. That’s cheaper than even the cheapest blade style LED on Amazon, with much greater performance.
     
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    I threw some H9s in last night and it made a pretty noticeable difference. For $12 I can’t complain. I have Baja Designs light bar and fog lights hooked up to my brights so I really didn’t need any extra distance lighting but the brighter lows are nice around town and when I can’t have the LEDs on.
     
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    It makes me cold just to look at those pictures. Brrr... :(

    I agree about the H9 low beams. It's a no brainer.
     
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    Hey @crashnburn80 , do you have any insight on how to improve headlight performance in my wife's 2017 Rav4 XLE? It's got the 9012 halogens, and they are basically useless at night. I think without the H16 fogs it would be undriveable, and the fogs aren't great either.
     
  18. Nov 14, 2019 at 7:45 PM
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    Where'd you get the data?

    Wipers man! Gotta change those! :)

    9012s are actually an awesome bulb, as the brightest low beam halogen bulb on the market, so it is surprising the performance is poor. You might check the aim to start. This is the best 9012 in existence, which is what I would recommend:
    https://store.candlepower.com/bvohi93subrl.html
     
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    I have not tested the RX350s, yet.

    I do have plans to comparison test the new Tacoma LED headlights soon. :)

    Those are great pics! I think one of the qualities of a performance halogen light is what I refer to as saturation of the pattern, where the pattern is saturated with light vs replacement LEDs in a halogen reflector that can cause a very inconsistent intensity distribution in the pattern.
     
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    Glad to see the 2020's have an LED option (with fixture assemblies designed for them) that improves the poor performance I got from my 2019 Tacoma low beams. In all of my years of driving, I thought the OEM factory low beams were the worst of any car I've driven. A subjective opinion to be sure, but also backed up by the "Marginal" IIHS ratings:
    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/toyota/tacoma-crew-cab-pickup/2019#headlights

    Finding high recommendations from Crashnburn80 and others here on the forum, I bought and installed the GE Megalight Ultra 130+ H11 bulbs:
    https://www.amazon.com/GE-Megalight-Ultra-Headlight-53110XNU/dp/B06XRS9LBR
    A noticeable improvement, but initially not as much as I had hoped, so I ordered these (also recommended) Philips H9's to modify for use in the H11 low beam projectors:
    https://www.amazon.com/Philips-12361B1-Standard-Replacement-Headlight/dp/B003YMPN3A/

    The Philips I received were the real deal, made in Germany. However since that time I've driven several weeks at night with the GE 130+ bulbs, and now have the opinion they provide very good low beam visibility. I have yet to drive in anything more than a light night rain however. So for now I am keeping the Philips H9 in reserve. If I do put them in, I intend to do temperature tests using a thermocouple probe and compare the Philips H9 to the GE 130+, measuring both the aluminum back mounting collar temperature after say a 10 minute idle, and the front of the headlight assembly, and perhaps wire temp as well, though not expecting much difference there due to the relatively small current increase. The engineer in me wants to see first hand, I've read one account saying little temperature difference, and another account saying higher temps.
    I've only had my first Tacoma a couple of months and love it, I've already done a few other cheap mods I've found in the forum:
    3rd Gen Mods & Tips
     
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