1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:23 PM
    #1941
    NMTrailRider

    NMTrailRider Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Member:
    #23469
    Messages:
    4,838
    New Mexico
    It’s been pointed out to me that I’m wrong here. I’ll try to grab some photos for you to see.
     
  2. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:42 PM
    #1942
    Bradg93

    Bradg93 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Member:
    #305019
    Messages:
    123
    Gender:
    Male
    Port Hope, Ontario, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2020 TRD Sport DCLB Cement Grey
    Do the Philips H9’s only run the low beams? I am looking for increased hi beam performance. It was my understanding that they did both lol
     
    Tullie D and davidstacoma like this.
  3. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:46 PM
    #1943
    davidstacoma

    davidstacoma Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2019
    Member:
    #309695
    Messages:
    27
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    Vehicle:
    2019 Tacoma SR Access cab - Utility
    * Intermittent wiper mod * GE Megalight Ultra +130 low beams installed * Bed Extender (factory, dealer install)
    Your understanding is right, Philips H9's are a drop in replacement for the OEM H9 high beams. I don't know how they compare to the OEM OSRAM H9's that I have in my 2019 (and perhaps you have as well). I'm quite satisfied with my OEM OSRAM high beams. To use H9's in the H11 low beams, you have to modify them, several threads in the forum for that, but I like this video:

    H11 to H9 Headlight Conversion video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY1kaMRVz8o(start watching at 2:33, the first part is how to reach headlight bulbs on an F150, far easier for my Tacoma 3rd gen).
     
    Bradg93 and Tullie D like this.
  4. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:56 PM
    #1944
    Bradg93

    Bradg93 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Member:
    #305019
    Messages:
    123
    Gender:
    Male
    Port Hope, Ontario, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2020 TRD Sport DCLB Cement Grey
    Oh shit this whole time I’ve been misunderstanding, so the 3rd gen Tacoma’s use H9’s already for high beams and H11’s for low beams? I know some vehicles use the same bulbs for both just different filaments, I thought this was the case for me lol. I don’t have any problem with my low beams, if I need more visibility I turn on high beams.

    When discussing with crash I was under the impression that the Philips H9’s would be a major improvement over stock high beams, but if they already are H9’s for high beams I don’t know if it’s even worth it to change.

    So what is my best option to improve the distance I get out of my high beams
     
    Tullie D likes this.
  5. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:58 PM
    #1945
    skierd

    skierd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2018
    Member:
    #247038
    Messages:
    666
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    Fairbanks, AK
    Vehicle:
    2017 SR DCSB
    @Bradg93 You’ll get much better high beam performance from a slight re-aim up of the headlights. See the data above, and my thoughts below, and my earlier post in this thread on how to aim them. Otherwise, your best best is to add driving lights. I went with Hella 700ff’s with 100w bulbs mounted on a N-Fab bumper bar.

    Data came straight from the IIHS site. Doesn’t show on mobile, only on the desktop. It’s part of how I figured out to re-aim the 3rd gen headlights for better distance performance; they’re obviously aimed in to the ground from the factory when you look at the data; It’s especially apparent when you add a HID kit and have the cutoff illuminated hard in the ground 200ft or so in front of the truck; it’s much more apparent than with halogens which are much softer.

    The wipers are fine once they thaw, it was 0F and blowing and snowing hard this morning!
     
  6. Nov 14, 2019 at 9:07 PM
    #1946
    skierd

    skierd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2018
    Member:
    #247038
    Messages:
    666
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    Fairbanks, AK
    Vehicle:
    2017 SR DCSB
  7. Nov 15, 2019 at 4:38 AM
    #1947
    nickrick78

    nickrick78 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2019
    Member:
    #284492
    Messages:
    141
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Nick
    Vehicle:
    2019 DCSB TRD OR Quicksand

    I'll try em, thanks! They seemed aimed ok, but I did aim them up a little and it helped a little.
     
  8. Nov 16, 2019 at 8:24 AM
    #1948
    MrMccrackin

    MrMccrackin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2017
    Member:
    #236566
    Messages:
    823
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    Gilbert, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2004 TRDOR PreRunner, 2017 MGM TRDOR 4x4
    Bradg93 likes this.
  9. Nov 16, 2019 at 8:37 AM
    #1949
    Bradg93

    Bradg93 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Member:
    #305019
    Messages:
    123
    Gender:
    Male
    Port Hope, Ontario, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2020 TRD Sport DCLB Cement Grey
    If I aim the
    So the stock H9 high beam bulbs are pretty good quality and not worth upgrading? My only hesitation with re aiming my headlights is that will also make my low beams brighter for other drivers as it will raise my cut offs right?
     
  10. Nov 16, 2019 at 10:00 AM
    #1950
    skierd

    skierd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2018
    Member:
    #247038
    Messages:
    666
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    Fairbanks, AK
    Vehicle:
    2017 SR DCSB
    The Phillips h9 that’s stock in our lights is the best performing h9 available yes.

    The goal is to aim your headlights up slightly; this improves low beam coverage and high beam distance. With the truck parked 10ft away from a wall, I moved the low beam cutoff up 1/2”. This is easily within the Toyota spec I posted earlier in this thread. Going off the IIHS data and my experience running an HID kit it’s my opinion that Toyota aims the headlights down severely from optimal to keep them legal and safe when there’s a load in Or on the bed, for example towing a heavy trailer or putting 500-1000 pounds in the bed.
     
  11. Nov 16, 2019 at 7:01 PM
    #1951
    jjrek9

    jjrek9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2018
    Member:
    #272974
    Messages:
    75
    Gender:
    Male
    great timing I was about to ask about the 9012 bulbs in the Rav 4. I went ahead and order those and looking forward to see how they perform. As far as the Tacoma I have a 2019 TRD PRO and after looking through much of this thread I have decided to go with the GE nightbreaker xenon +120. Only question I have is when I plug in my Tacoma info. into amazon it says"does not fit your vehicle" when I select the H11 bulb. I thought the H11 bulb is what I should be ordering. Wrong info. on Amazons end or am I not selecting the correct one? thanks
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2019
  12. Nov 16, 2019 at 7:21 PM
    #1952
    Bradg93

    Bradg93 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Member:
    #305019
    Messages:
    123
    Gender:
    Male
    Port Hope, Ontario, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2020 TRD Sport DCLB Cement Grey
    Ok maybe I will give that a shot before trying anything else, thanks for your help!
     
  13. Nov 16, 2019 at 8:46 PM
    #1953
    SRBenjamin

    SRBenjamin Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2019
    Member:
    #310696
    Messages:
    38
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Benny
    Hey all, I'm new here, but not new to Toyota's. Always disliked Tacomas because I bought my first Toyota in the 80's. It was an 85 4x4 PU.

    About a year ago had heart failure(8% EF), and I can no longer do much in the way of mechanical work. So last week I bought a 2020 Tacoma SR 4x4.

    Today I bought some Sylvania LED Fog(not really just fog)Lamps. Installed in the low beams, and they look perfect! zero glare, better than stock cut off.
    They do not seem to be much brighter. They do have built in CAN support, and cost $99. from O’Reilly Auto Parts. Nothing really special, but meet stock specs.

    The Philips H4 LED's I had in my Scion were twice as bright, but had I much larger reflector.

    https://www.osram.co.uk/ecat/LEDriv.../GPS01_3143600/PP_EUROPE_UK_eCat/ZMP_4059098/
     
    Inferno__Taco likes this.
  14. Nov 16, 2019 at 8:59 PM
    #1954
    Tullie D

    Tullie D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2019
    Member:
    #285417
    Messages:
    1,009
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tullie
    Wilson, NC
    Vehicle:
    2019 SR5 V6 SSM Access Cab
    Extang Encore, Bed lights, Grill lights, Flux Capacitor
    Welcome to the forum.

    There is a very clear warning in the link you posted.

    These products do not have ECE approval. This means they must not be used on public roads in any exterior application. Use on public roads leads to cancellation of operating license and loss of insurance coverage. Several countries do not allow sale and use of these products. Please contact your local distributor for information on the availability in your country.

    That rings alarm bells in my head.

    Phillips H9 halogens are the way to go.
     
    gurneyeagle and Inferno__Taco like this.
  15. Nov 16, 2019 at 9:12 PM
    #1955
    SRBenjamin

    SRBenjamin Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2019
    Member:
    #310696
    Messages:
    38
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Benny

    The warning is for socialist countries that also require drivers to use a selected size and brand of tires. That warning is not intended for the US market.

    I posted the link because it has all the info on the bulbs. BTW these bulbs are made in Italy and not China. For $100. they appear to be a good value.
     
    TimC and Inferno__Taco like this.
  16. Nov 16, 2019 at 10:29 PM
    #1956
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    8,663
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2015 DCSB TRD OR MGM
    Go Hawks!
    Welcome! For fogs your should look at a complete replacement assembly designed around the LED light source and labeled as SAE J583 street legal. They will have a far better light pattern and can have higher intensity without glare, unlike drop in LEDs in a reflector. Drop in replacement LEDs are not legal in the US. See this thread for all the foglight options:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-led-sae-j583-fog-pod-fog-light-review.554813/
     
  17. Nov 16, 2019 at 11:29 PM
    #1957
    SRBenjamin

    SRBenjamin Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2019
    Member:
    #310696
    Messages:
    38
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Benny
    Thanks for the input. I for one could care less about BS laws. In some states it's illegal to increase your tire size more than one step up. Also some degree of tint is illegal. Loud exhaust is also illegal. Chipping your ECU is illegal, and lots of other things are illegal.

    I'm only giving my opinion of a set of bulbs that worked well for me. Unless you've tried these bulbs, your opinion is of little value.
     
  18. Nov 16, 2019 at 11:39 PM
    #1958
    mynameistory

    mynameistory Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Member:
    #81862
    Messages:
    244
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tory
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Vehicle:
    4Runner
    [​IMG]
     
    Comb, ERod27, MarkMN and 9 others like this.
  19. Nov 16, 2019 at 11:53 PM
    #1959
    NMTrailRider

    NMTrailRider Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Member:
    #23469
    Messages:
    4,838
    New Mexico
    Laws *usually* keep me from being blinded by an oncoming driver on 2-lane blacktop at 1am. Not always, unfortunately.
     
  20. Nov 17, 2019 at 12:29 AM
    #1960
    Tullie D

    Tullie D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2019
    Member:
    #285417
    Messages:
    1,009
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tullie
    Wilson, NC
    Vehicle:
    2019 SR5 V6 SSM Access Cab
    Extang Encore, Bed lights, Grill lights, Flux Capacitor
     
    ERod27, MarkMN, xxTacocaTxx and 2 others like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top