4 cyl - why the 5 speed?

exactly what i was saying here about slipping til my opinion from years of experience got thrown out the window. And for the record i never did say an auto couldn't engine brake just (in my personal experiences) a manual trans is better giving the driver more control.

p.s. not trying to start shit just making things clear

 

And true if you look back a couple of pages i posted a video of my T/O bearing that is having issues making noise

 

I test drove the access cab with the 2.7L 4-speed auto and for me it was a little bit too slow. I felt like I had to gun it most of the time to get any reasonable acceleration from a stop light. Now on a regular cab, the auto is fine, with the 5-speed manual even better. With the access cab 2.7L, I say go with the 5-speed.

 

I did not mean to throw your experience out the window, but I will ask have you ever 4-wheeled a Toyota with auto? I would have completely agreed with you years ago, but then I got a Tundra (because... long story). I was bummed that you couldn't get a v8 and manual and figured it would really screw up 4-wheeling. And then I found out that the only real difference was that you didn't need to mess with a clutch.

Mainly, I see lots of people who don't engine brake. I'm the pied piper of you should engine brake on long and/or steep descents. I'll follow people down our long passes and 99 out of 100 are just riding their brakes all the way down. And on here I see lots of ohmygodyoudidntknowthat? regarding 4wd and wheeling (and towing, etc).

For what it's worth, I agree that manuals give more control in general. If 4-wheeling was my main thing, I'd have a manual. Actually I'd probably have a pre-tacoma pickup (hilux). But if you choose an auto (for towing capacity, comfort/convenience, whatever) it does not mean that you can't engine brake. Or 4-wheel.

 

yes i have an old late 80's model 4 runner but like i said it was old so not really liable in this sense, and your right 9/10 ppl just ride brakes with an auto and knowing that statistic is why i suggest a 5 speed so it takes the braking "option" away from the driver and "forces" them to engine brake, its just natural with a manual and cuz most people that drive an auto are not like yourself and use the engine braking technique and thats mainly cuz they just dont know or are lazy/lousy/amateur wheelers. no offense to anyone here

 

i got alot of xj friends back home in az and they all use autos with their rigs only one had a manual but they are all experienced wheelers and engine brake all the time in sketchy situations so im not knocking an auto wheeler at all to each man his own. thats where i grew up wheelin and been across many gnarly trails and seen it done with my manual and their autos.

 

My throwout bearing is going bad as well, it chirps like a room full of crickets whenever I'm coasting in gear. As soon as I touch the clutch pedal, it goes away. Then comes right back after I release it.

I got an extended warranty (3rd party) on my 2004 when I bought it a few months ago, good for another 30k miles. I was wondering if it would be covered or not, did they give you trouble over covering yours or was it pretty straightforward?

 

I certainly don't want to offend you or anyone else. I respect the fact that you have decades of experience.

However I don't see how a manual forces you to engine brake. In fact, someone who's never driven a stick (the vast majority of drivers below the age of 35 haven't) would likely not think of it, and just ride the brakes all the way down.

Amateur wheelers, amateur trailer haulers... I guess I feel like the role of people on TW who aren't amateur is to educate. You obviously have been wheeling your whole life so it's pretty second nature to you. Can be hard to relate to people who have no background. That's why I say, somebody who grew up with an automatic and is just learning about 4 wheeling (or mountain driving in general) may not feel like anything is forcing them to use their gears to control descent speed.

 

tbh i dont know yet havent replaced it. all i know is that i have the warranty (also 3rd party) with a $250 deductible i think so just waiting on the next check to go get it done.

 

Cool let me know how it works out, I've already taken into Toyota once and of course they "couldn't hear anything wrong" I have to schedule another appointment with them where I'm driving the truck. If I get it done first I'll report back, but I'm skeptical about them allowing the warranty to cover it. I feel like they'll probably just tell me it's a normal wear and tear item, even though I've only got 30k on my truck. Throwout bearing should last a lot longer than that...

 

no offense taken whatsoever thats what this forum is for the OP with questions can decipher our opinions to make his own decision

 

will do bud sounds good

 

lol i maybe new to TW but not wheeling and forums in general so im not gunna go start a thread about how i was offended in here during a debate like this dude did yesterday titled "about to bail" so its all good. im here to put in my 2 cents just like the rest of us and take others 2 cents into consideration so all opinions here are respected in my eyes.

 

I'm going to take the 4cyl auto access cab for a test drive tonight. I'll take it on the highway and up a paved mountain road with switchbacks and see how it does. I'll be coming from a 2.4L cherokee so...

So far it's the best deal in my area, and only tacoma i'be found in my budget, in great condition with low miles, leaving money left over for mods and a canopy. And bonus, the color I want. I haven't found a manual unless I go 2016 new 4cyl, and that's pushing my budget.

 

go for it man let us know how it goes when you get done. might be your best bet budget wise for what you want to do. just remember to engine brake that auto lol had to throw it in there

 

OP good luck with the test drive. Report back.

JJ, before I joined the Tacoma community, years back, I had 2 ZR2 S10s. 1 was a manual and 1 was an auto. Other wise identical truck. I honestly struggled a bit with my manual for anything offroad related. I am admittedly an amateur when it comes to that stuff. Just to give some insight on my earlier posts. So I see where you are coming from. I'm sure we are at different ends of the spectrum. But I do think I probably push my 2.7 auto more than most casual drivers, as far as workload with my commute, hauling bikes, rec offroading etc. It suits me just fine. Obviously for what other guys do (more serious offroading, hauling etc) maybe it isn't the best choice, I can understand that.

 

Calm the eff down Sparky. You're like a child throwing a tantrum.

 

Remember that there are a few things you can do that will help. When I tried my 2.7 auto the first time it was OK bit doggy. After the LCE header and "in the fender" intake silencer removed I'm now perfectly happy with the truck.

Just an update, there is a campaign going in Canada to replace the catalyst pipe so if you hear a rattle on slight acceleration the campaign will take care of that.

 

TBH im not sure which is technically "better" or even if there is such a thing. Im just a manual guy. As previously posted its really up to preferance and comfort to the driver

 

Who the hell asked you?