4th Gen Blows the Doors off the 3rd Gen

LOL, yah, something like that. Yes, I raced them. I also DIDN'T race them. I worked on them. I serviced them. I belonged to groups and organizations for development of them. Turbo chargers have been around for a REALLY long time. What's so new and advanced with today's turbo engines that didn't exist 10 years ago? Dying to find out. What did Toyota specifically do to make theirs so gosh darn more advanced than those companies that have been doing it for decades longer? And why didn't that translate to the greatest Tundra ever?

 

Can you give a little more information? What was the vehicle that was stock and you didn't race it that gave you problems?

 

Lots of things have improved, but you’ve been involved in the world long enough to know that. Nearly all companies have modern, reliable turbo engines. Mazda, ford, gm, Honda, volvo, porsche, and the list goes on.

look, man, nobody is telling you to buy the gen4. Don’t buy it if you don’t want to. But your k24 with a big snail experience isn’t applicable, much like my nitrous-fed 582 bbc doesn’t really inform my decision to buy an old squarebody.

 

I'm sure the experts agree with you.

Oh wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2YPMSO6wIE

 

I can’t tell if you are being serious

 

What makes this guy an expert other than having a youtube channel?

 

The last turbo car I spec'd out: Dodge Daytona IROC RT. It wasn't a track car. It was a daily car I tricked out like Tacoma owners trick out their trucks. I took it to the strip 2 or 3 times to see where I was at for 1/4 mile times and had it dyno'd once to see what the HP was at. MANY Tacoma drivers will do the same things to their turbo trucks as parts become available that I did to my cars.

The "stock" work car: Dodge Spirit RT. Essentially the 4 door grocery wagon of the car above. NOTHING was done to it, not even speakers or radio.

I've owned 1 or 2 turbo cars at the same time while also owning a non-turbo car. After some questionable business tactics by Chrysler I sold them and picked up my first Toyota (sorta of) - The Pontiac Vibe. I got 250k miles on it, ran amazing until the day I traded it in and always got unbelievable gas mileage. I still regret getting rid of it. But I still work on turbo vehicles as well as classic cars. It's not like I haven't ridden in one or worked on one since 1994.

 

So, you’re basing your advice to others on the experience of owning Chryslers over 30 years ago?

this is like saying to be wary of EFI because those GM TBI units have trouble

 

I see you're not big on reading...

 

Oh no, I read that you’ve ridden in turbo cars since, and I bet you’ve worked on non-turbo cars as well.

 

So is it a comprehension problem? You're clearly just reading what you want to read. Regardless, I'm sure the 2024 turbo Tacoma is the best engine ever made (just like the turbo Tundras) and will never have issues that are typically problematic with turbo cars (or turbo Tundras). And you obviously have a LOT of experience with the new 2024 Turbo Tacoma engine. Still waiting for the details on what Toyota did to make it so bulletproof. Since you're the expert, care to share with the rest of us?

 

I haven’t said any of that. I have yet to pass a judgement on the 24 Tacoma, unlike many others.

I will, however, push back against questionable reasoning when I see it

 

If it has breasticles or wheels it is gonna give ya trouble!

 

This is literally the most factual statement you'll ever read on the internet.

 

I was referring to these statements you made. I'm waiting for the details as opposed to generalized statements not based on facts:

"Now what if designers design the small engine to do the work from the get go? Like toyota likely did?"

What did Toyota do to make a small engine not suffer small engine problems while pushing it like a big engine?

"Lots of things have improved ... Nearly all companies have modern, reliable turbo engines."

What are all of these improvements you speak of? Other than calendar year, what makes the new turbo engines "modern" and more reliable?

 

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There’s a lot that can be done in materials science (completely different than when you were building turbo dodges), lubrication design, lubrication standards, tuning, cooling, etc.. I have no specific info on the Toyota 2.4t, of course, I’m speculating that they didn’t just fail to engineer the thing entirely. For that, I’m relying upon Toyota’s reputation.

Basically all the shit that goes into engineering a vehicle for reliability. You know, all the same things that have made every car—NA and turbo alike—too different from the cars of 30+ years ago to even be a comparable data set.

 

That guy is a twat

 

Like what? Be specific. I'm trying to get educated here. And more importantly, what has Toyota done for the 2024 Tacoma and why didn't they do it for the Tundra?

 

Possibly, most of us are in some way. But according to this article he has 55 years as a mechanic and prefers Toyotas for their reliability and longevity. Just because he's on YouTube, doesn't mean he's a typical youtuber.

https://www.the-sun.com/motors/8681709/mechanic-tip-make-engine-run-better-save/

 

If you look into the tundra issues, the high profile ones everyone is scared of is a wastegate problem. Hugely problematic, to be sure, but a problematic part isn’t really an indictment of turbo engines as a whole, since most don’t have wastegate failures at high rates.

kinda like how ford camshaft position sensor issues doesn’t really mean that camshaft position sensors are a part that we should shy away from.